The weather being so nice I went to start the 53 It wouldn't fire There is spark at the plugs and it's getting fuel I had it running about a month ago with no issues As it sits right now I know it's badly flooded, I've pulled the plugs and cleaned them I pulled the carb and found about an inch of gas sitting in the intake I sucked it out and put every thing back together but still no go
Any Ideas?
Bob
4SPEED427 said
Feb 5, 2011
Often if plugs are fouled bad, they have to be replaced. They just won't fire no matter how much you clean them.
The only way I've seen them resurrected from severe fouling is one of those old spark plug cleaners (sandblaster) which nobody has any more.
bob53 said
Feb 5, 2011
I did try a set, not new but from a running 239 I'm thinking there is still gas that I can't get out of the engine I will try a new set of plugs just have to find them Thanks, Carl
Fitz said
Feb 5, 2011
At worst, try to let your fouled sparkplug being heated one night by your house heating system.
Also start for a while your engine without the sparkplug, you should this way dry most of the gas inside.
Fitz.
bob53 said
Feb 5, 2011
Thats what I'll do but I will pick up some new plugs first Thanks Fitz
Pontiacanada said
Feb 6, 2011
Bob, if you just putt around occasionally you might need a hotter plug. My '64 283 takes a Delco R-43, R-44, or R-45. My engine gave up starting, it's plugs are carbed-up/fouled (it has R-43s in it, for "faster" driving habits), I'm switching to a hotter R-45.
bob53 said
Feb 6, 2011
I put about 2000 miles on last summer and I don't think I drive like an old lady I think I'll stick with the original plugs for now but thanks for the suggestion
bob53 said
Feb 6, 2011
Well I tried the new plugs today still nothing I have points, condenser, cap and rotor on order But I'm wondering if it might be something with the carb, stuck float maybe?
Rolilk said
Feb 6, 2011
Hard to say. This past summer I had some trouble with my WCD. the acellerator pump just was not working. I had to hold the pedal to the floor while turning it over before it would fire and had to hold the gas till it ran smoothly.I'm in the middle af a carb rebuild. Did you notice if she turned over slowly? maybe give your battery a charge and see if its cause she is turning over too slow? Does it try to fire at all or nothing at all? When mine is being hard, I held the accelelator most of the way down and only then would she fire up. If she ran well only a month ago I don't see it being a stuck float, but I've been wrong before..
bob53 said
Feb 6, 2011
I do have the battery fully charged when I go to start it and it doesn't even try to fire In the summer two pumps at a cold start and it will fire right up and hot start I don't even touch the gas or forget it
Fitz said
Feb 7, 2011
Just for the fun of it, sand with a high grade sandpaper your points(breaker). It maybe don't fire due to the compression, because of a low voltage at the sparkplug.
Without compression it can fire.
Also, look for the wire going out of your distributor, it must be isolate from the distributor housing.
If it's fire up, replace the points quickly because sanded point don't last long.
Fitz.
dualquadpete said
Feb 7, 2011
Have you checked to see or DID YOU, put any fuel stabilizer in the tank?? Ig the gas [if you can call the crap we get now this] has gone bad it won't fire that stuff. have you tried giving the carb a "dribble" of fresh gas??? Just a thought,the gas only is good for a week or 2 b-4 it goes 'fousty"
bob53 said
Feb 7, 2011
Ok, new points condenser coil cap and rotor Gas does have stabilizer and I did try some down the carb earlier Checked wire through distributor... seems fine I do have gas in the intake again so I'm thinking disconnect the fuel line before the pump, pop the carb and clean up the gas then try to fire by spraying starter fluid directly into the intake Any thoughts?
Taylor55 said
Feb 7, 2011
Pull the dipstick and check the oil for gas. If the oil is saturated with gas the engine cannot build compression to fire. If it is saturated that is one problem the next is to find out why it flooded, stuck float, faulty accelerator pump?
Al
bob53 said
Feb 7, 2011
There doesn't seem to be any gas in the oil, even had the wife give it a sniff to be sure I did pull the plugs again and they don't seem to be fouled
tin indian said
Feb 7, 2011
it is possible to wash down the cylinder walls when flooding an engine that bad. this would result in loss of compression, which can give you a no start(like taylor said) disconnect or stop fuel flow to the engine, remove spark plugs, and turn it over to build up oil pressure. install your plugs, give it some fuel, and try to fire it up.
bob53 said
Feb 7, 2011
If I did like you said but without the carb on and sprayed starter fluid in the intake... it should fire right? And if it did fire my problem is with the carb dumping too much fuel Does that sound right? I have also heard of putting a tablespoon of oil in each cylinder when badly flooded
tin indian said
Feb 7, 2011
i doubt it would start without the carb, as the air fuel mixture would be way out to lunch, but you never know. but the tablespoon of oil is on the right track.
bob53 said
Feb 7, 2011
I'm not really looking for it to start... just something to show the plugs will fire
tin indian said
Feb 8, 2011
if the spark is blue, they will ignite atomized fuel.
Fitz said
Feb 8, 2011
What I use the most of the time to knowing if sparkplug fire inside the cylinder is the timing light. The sparkplug can spark outside the cylinder but not screw into the head if a ignition problem occur.
Try all the wire including the coil to the distributor one. Look at the light, a regular slow flashing on sparkplug wire is OK and a quick flashing on the coil wire is OK. If you see nothing, your ignition is the problem. After you can move to the admission (carb) to look the problem for.
Good luck.
Fitz.
bob53 said
Feb 8, 2011
Thanks Fitz, I will try that for my own peace of mind Upon further investigation of the carb I found rusty deposits partially clogging the internal fuel filter,and I'm sure some got into the carb Time for a rebuild, wish me luck
Bob
1954 Ken said
Feb 9, 2011
I should have my rebuilt carb back tomorrow. Ill drop it off at your place after work. Let me know if it works out.
bob53 said
Feb 9, 2011
Hey Ken did Keith get an extra accelerator pump when he got the stuff for you?
bob53 said
Feb 9, 2011
Thanks for the loan of your carb Ken, works great... too bad that's not my problem OK here's what I see... Good spark at the plugs Fuel getting from the carb to the intake manifold... Where it pools No gas getting to the cylinders When I pulled the plugs again the little bit of oil was still there and no sign of fuel Anyone have any ideas, I'm pulling out my hair here
There is spark at the plugs and it's getting fuel
I had it running about a month ago with no issues
As it sits right now I know it's badly flooded, I've pulled the plugs and cleaned them
I pulled the carb and found about an inch of gas sitting in the intake
I sucked it out and put every thing back together but still no go
Any Ideas?
Bob
The only way I've seen them resurrected from severe fouling is one of those old spark plug cleaners (sandblaster) which nobody has any more.
I'm thinking there is still gas that I can't get out of the engine
I will try a new set of plugs just have to find them
Thanks, Carl
Also start for a while your engine without the sparkplug, you should this way dry most of the gas inside.
Fitz.
Thanks Fitz
My '64 283 takes a Delco R-43, R-44, or R-45. My engine gave up starting, it's plugs are carbed-up/fouled (it has R-43s in it, for "faster" driving habits), I'm switching to a hotter R-45.
I think I'll stick with the original plugs for now but thanks for the suggestion
I have points, condenser, cap and rotor on order
But I'm wondering if it might be something with the carb, stuck float maybe?
In the summer two pumps at a cold start and it will fire right up and hot start I don't
even touch the gas or forget it
Without compression it can fire.
Also, look for the wire going out of your distributor, it must be isolate from the distributor housing.
If it's fire up, replace the points quickly because sanded point don't last long.
Fitz.
Gas does have stabilizer and I did try some down the carb earlier
Checked wire through distributor... seems fine
I do have gas in the intake again so I'm thinking disconnect the fuel line before the
pump, pop the carb and clean up the gas then try to fire by spraying starter fluid directly
into the intake
Any thoughts?
Al
I did pull the plugs again and they don't seem to be fouled
Does that sound right?
I have also heard of putting a tablespoon of oil in each cylinder when badly flooded
Try all the wire including the coil to the distributor one. Look at the light, a regular slow flashing on sparkplug wire is OK and a quick flashing on the coil wire is OK. If you see nothing, your ignition is the problem. After you can move to the admission (carb) to look the problem for.
Good luck.
Fitz.
Upon further investigation of the carb I found rusty deposits partially clogging
the internal fuel filter,and I'm sure some got into the carb
Time for a rebuild, wish me luck
Bob
OK here's what I see...
Good spark at the plugs
Fuel getting from the carb to the intake manifold...
Where it pools
No gas getting to the cylinders
When I pulled the plugs again the little bit of oil was still there and no sign of fuel
Anyone have any ideas, I'm pulling out my hair here
Bob