Give me a break, that's a ridiuculous comparison. Does a 4,000 pound LeMans look like a Firebird ?
4SPEED427 said
Jan 6, 2012
Oh, sorry, I was trying to compare the SD455 T/A to something. I thought the Corvette was the best comparison.
4SPEED427 said
Jan 6, 2012
The SD455 T/A is 3850 in the first thing I checked. Most guys say add 1/10th per 100 lbs. We'll give it a 13.70
4SPEED427 said
Jan 6, 2012
73SC wrote:
Give me a break, that's a ridiuculous comparison. Does a 4,000 pound LeMans look like a Firebird ?
And quit being so hard on me. I'm a bit of a newbie here...
73SC said
Jan 6, 2012
I thought this whole post was all in a bit of fun, sorry.
427carl said
Jan 6, 2012
the car is the fun part !!
If you could get a 4000 lb car with a 454 to "hook" up
You spoke to the previous owmer of my Strato Chief same motor as yours same 4000 lb, and 2.73 gears It ran 13,40 @101 when he could get it to hook (no posi)
73SC said
Jan 6, 2012
On Motomaster tires too, Glenn showed me the time slip.
4SPEED427 said
Jan 6, 2012
While I don't necessarily agree with his opinions, I can't disupte his facts.
Best 454 Chevelle run I can find for any year 454 is an LS6 turning 13.25.
1974 Chevrolet Chevelle Laguna Type S-3 454 by Chris Hafner on December 11, 2007
My inclusion of the 1974 Chevrolet Chevelle Laguna Type S-3 454 as an object of Car Disgust might seem puzzling. Why would a 454-cubic-inch Chevelle-based muscle car wind up lumped into Car Disgust, especially when the 1970 Chevelle SS454 was one of the very first Car Lusts?
Well, in truth, the Laguna Type S-3 454 wasn't so much a muscle car as it was the decaying, bloated corpse of a muscle car--the dug-up remains of the glorious Chevelle SS454, reanimated Weekend at Bernie's-style, with nothing more substantial than a freshly pressed leisure suit.
While the Chevelle SS454 was one of the brightest stars of the resplendent automotive firmament of the late 1960s, the Laguna was just the opposite--an impossibly inky black hole in the considerably darker sky of the early 1970s.
In a 1970 Car & Driver comparison test, a Chevelle SS454 had battled the legendary Shelby Cobra to a draw and established itself as one of the most powerful and seductive muscle cars of its era. Only four years later, changing tastes and emissions regulations had turned the smooth, torquey engine into an unresponsive weakling, and the bold Chevelle into a tacky Laguna.
The 454 dropped from 450 to 235 horsepower (though part of that drop can be blamed on a change in the rating system). For reference, a Hyundai Sonata is available with that same 235 horsepower--in an engine less than half the size; in a car with vastly more interior space, that is much quicker, and making more than three times as many miles per gallon.
All of this resulted in this tawdry "muscle car" managing a 0-60 time of only 7.8 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 16.2 seconds--slightly slower than a modern Honda Odyssey minivan, and just a touch faster than a four-cylinder Kia Spectra. The Chevelle SS454 of four years prior would have passed 100 mph and still been accelerating hard by the time the Laguna hit 80 mph.
427carl said
Jan 6, 2012
Getting back to present day, a well prepared 60-70's Classic car can run with the big dogs "of the day"....
Im sure Rays car, and my old Pontiac, and Carls future car, will run as fast in street trim, as the old cars did preped for the track....
Most old muscle cars were 15 second cars on the street w/o a tune w/o gears w/o slicks....
4SPEED427 said
Jan 6, 2012
I will be surprised if my future 427 4 speed 3:31 gear will crack a 14. I bet 15.50's.
The guy who has my 4 speed now ran it at the track and I think he said 13.70's but he modified it, cam, headers, intake and carb.
73SC said
Jan 7, 2012
427carl said
Jan 7, 2012
73SC wrote:
Thats cool I'll bet your car was a rare "Super Duty" Canadian car...
MorePower said
Jan 7, 2012
Mines the fastest....on a hot wheels track that is :)
Cool little '73 Grand Am Morepower, I want one ! Where did you find it ? Does it come with a 455 SD ?
76GLM said
Jan 7, 2012
E-Bay is a good place to look, four color's available. The usual white, as well as red, blue and silver. The last three color's come with a black vinyl top.
427carl said
Jan 7, 2012
4SPEED427 said
Jan 7, 2012
And thus the song, "Little GTO"...
73SC said
Jan 7, 2012
Very realistc shots Morepower. I have a couple too. CLICK HERE to see the various Johhy Lightning releases. The white 73 GTO was the first one and is actually Bill Markowski's, Billygoat73, car.
MorePower said
Jan 7, 2012
took pics on my washing machine! lol. a buddy gave me the car last night. I saw it and drooled and he said take it ,its yours!
pontorquer said
Jan 7, 2012
Thanks guys, I found some on ebay and also I want to check the fleamarket in Winnipeg, there's a guy there with alot of Johnny Lightening cars ...
4SPEED427 said
Jan 7, 2012
My model's faster than your model........... (Yeah, it's a bit quiet here tonight!!!)
73SC said
Jan 7, 2012
That's a SN Firebird Carl, Super Nice , but please don't get me started, we have over 800 Hotwheels and similar die casts. I don't usually take them out of the packaging.
-- Edited by 73SC on Sunday 8th of January 2012 12:58:43 PM
Give me a break, that's a ridiuculous comparison. Does a 4,000 pound LeMans look like a Firebird ?
And quit being so hard on me. I'm a bit of a newbie here...
I thought this whole post was all in a bit of fun, sorry.
the car is the fun part !!
If you could get a 4000 lb car with a 454 to "hook" up
You spoke to the previous owmer of my Strato Chief same motor as yours same 4000 lb, and 2.73 gears It ran 13,40 @101 when he could get it to hook (no posi)
On Motomaster tires too, Glenn showed me the time slip.
Best 454 Chevelle run I can find for any year 454 is an LS6 turning 13.25.
___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
1974 Chevrolet Chevelle Laguna Type S-3 454
by Chris Hafner on December 11, 2007
My inclusion of the 1974 Chevrolet Chevelle Laguna Type S-3 454 as an object of Car Disgust might seem puzzling. Why would a 454-cubic-inch Chevelle-based muscle car wind up lumped into Car Disgust, especially when the 1970 Chevelle SS454 was one of the very first Car Lusts?
Well, in truth, the Laguna Type S-3 454 wasn't so much a muscle car as it was the decaying, bloated corpse of a muscle car--the dug-up remains of the glorious Chevelle SS454, reanimated Weekend at Bernie's-style, with nothing more substantial than a freshly pressed leisure suit.
While the Chevelle SS454 was one of the brightest stars of the resplendent automotive firmament of the late 1960s, the Laguna was just the opposite--an impossibly inky black hole in the considerably darker sky of the early 1970s.
In a 1970 Car & Driver comparison test, a Chevelle SS454 had battled the legendary Shelby Cobra to a draw and established itself as one of the most powerful and seductive muscle cars of its era. Only four years later, changing tastes and emissions regulations had turned the smooth, torquey engine into an unresponsive weakling, and the bold Chevelle into a tacky Laguna.
The 454 dropped from 450 to 235 horsepower (though part of that drop can be blamed on a change in the rating system). For reference, a Hyundai Sonata is available with that same 235 horsepower--in an engine less than half the size; in a car with vastly more interior space, that is much quicker, and making more than three times as many miles per gallon.
All of this resulted in this tawdry "muscle car" managing a 0-60 time of only 7.8 seconds and a quarter-mile time of 16.2 seconds--slightly slower than a modern Honda Odyssey minivan, and just a touch faster than a four-cylinder Kia Spectra. The Chevelle SS454 of four years prior would have passed 100 mph and still been accelerating hard by the time the Laguna hit 80 mph.
Getting back to present day, a well prepared 60-70's Classic car can run with the big dogs "of the day"....
Im sure Rays car, and my old Pontiac, and Carls future car, will run as fast in street trim, as the old cars did preped for the track....
Most old muscle cars were 15 second cars on the street w/o a tune w/o gears w/o slicks....
The guy who has my 4 speed now ran it at the track and I think he said 13.70's but he modified it, cam, headers, intake and carb.
Thats cool I'll bet your car was a rare "Super Duty" Canadian car...
Mines the fastest....on a hot wheels track that is :)
Cool little '73 Grand Am Morepower, I want one ! Where did you find it ? Does it come with a 455 SD ?
Very realistc shots Morepower. I have a couple too. CLICK HERE to see the various Johhy Lightning releases. The white 73 GTO was the first one and is actually Bill Markowski's, Billygoat73, car.
Thanks guys, I found some on ebay and also I want to check the fleamarket in Winnipeg, there's a guy there with alot of Johnny Lightening cars ...
My model's faster than your model........... (Yeah, it's a bit quiet here tonight!!!)
That's a SN Firebird Carl, Super Nice , but please don't get me started, we have over 800 Hotwheels and similar die casts. I don't usually take them out of the packaging.
-- Edited by 73SC on Sunday 8th of January 2012 12:58:43 PM
Your's look big Pascal, nice.