My solution to eliminating the Torque tube differential and Open ended Transmission ready to accept a 1310 U Joint and new transmission mount. Internals were checked gears, bearings, forks and seal all good. 44,000 miles on the car. The end piece of the alteration is made of 3/4" thick aluminum, old slip yoke was altered to keep original spline, then machined center of U joint flange and tigg welded to center. Then the complete spline and flange unit were pressed into sealed bearing, sealed bearing OD was machined to fit and be pressed into position into the aluminum, held with a C clip to retain it. This reinforced the trans output shaft as compared to to old system of a bushing that had little support and had shown wear. Now I'll change out the gear oil flush a few times with diesel oil then refill with new gear oil, clean, prime and paint. Now that the end is closed, I am considering the installation of a vent similar to newer auto's or a differential vent, can't hurt .
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 14th of March 2017 08:00:49 AM
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 14th of March 2017 08:06:56 AM
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 14th of March 2017 08:10:57 AM
Now that looks like a good fix. Was it a costly job?
silver steak said
Mar 15, 2017
Hey Gayne
I checked out valley customs as per your suggestion, they wanted more details than I could provide plus there cost was $ 950.00 your money, I got this done for $ 514.00 Cdn. I am pleased with the outcome. thanks again for your input. Regards Dale
long stroke said
Apr 27, 2017
Dale, very impressive looking build so far. I love that conversion to open drive because those torque tube drives are goofy. Thank you for keeping that trusty flat head inliner in there, where it belongs. Good luck and looking forward to further up dates. Cheers. George
silver steak said
Aug 15, 2017
Well it's been awhile and a few things have advanced, today we ran the L6 and the results were very good. We ran it about 25 to 30 minutes at various rpm and the oil pressure was really good and steady. At 2000 rpm the oil pressure held 45 psi and at around 1200 rpm it dropped to 38 psi. I am really pleased with that result. Tomorrow we plan to complete the run in with another 30 minutes or so and we will call it chassis ready. As it stands now it is a 12 Volt system with electronics in the Distributor
I have a short video of the run in while in but unfortunately I don't know how to post a video so I'll post a picture .
Update: Wow, it's been awhile since I posted an update on my wife's project, and it is going on Two years that the project is in progress, wowww time is flyingggg bye.
So, to summarize , the frame / Engine / transmission / drive shaft, differential , cooling system/ brake conversion to disc and dual master cylinder, suspension is complete, and you know I just realized I don't have ONE Picture of that completed work.
The Coach is complete , new floor pans, three cross braces, rear 1/4 panel front section, inner and outer rockers, wheel wells repaired, gas tank supports media blasted and primed. we'll be marrying the coach to the frame this week. I 'll post more pictures later Dale
Wow, you are doing a great job. Those pictures show the rewards of all your work. The wife will be getting a very nice car. Thanks for sharing.
silver steak said
Sep 13, 2018
Another Update of a week of progress, coach is married to the frame, new floor and cross braces fit quite nicely. Doors and truck lid are in place, right door went on OK, some adjustments required on the left, fenders are next. Suspension will need some adjusting, too stiff and too high in the rear.
-- Edited by silver steak on Thursday 13th of September 2018 08:00:25 PM
She is home and ready for the winter, now wiring and interior work begins. Sorry about the pictures, before I had control of where and when the car ended up I didn't take any pictures of the car outside in the natural light,
Sorry about the pictures, before I had control of where and when the car ended up I didn't take any pictures of the car outside in the natural light, anyway it is what it is.
Still looks great!
1952pontiac said
Oct 9, 2018
may i ask what is the color code i think it's the same color as mine shoal green metalic.
silver steak said
Oct 9, 2018
It is Fern Mist Green ( really high metallic ) my wife's choice .
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 9th of October 2018 07:22:25 AM
MC said
Oct 9, 2018
Looks great! You should be very proud of your work. Colour choice is spot-on IMHO.
Can I ask you what the purpose is of the urethane (?) pads that you have taped to the top of your frame?
silver steak said
Oct 9, 2018
Good observation of the red urethane pads.
Believe it or not, the car originally had a fiber like canvass material with the odd body shim to level the coach on the frame, a sort of body mount if you will. There were eleven mounts on each side of the car not including the radiator support. The ones that are held with masking tape are there and intended to be squeezed between the back floor of the coach to the top of the frame. it is incredible the amount of precautions and trimming we did to ensure the coach and frame stayed level to ensure body lines would be good, every time we move the rolling chassis we leveled it and still lines need more work.
It's a hobby , and the car is not needed to get me anywhere, so if they squeak, one at a time they will come out.
Regards
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 9th of October 2018 03:04:09 PM
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 9th of October 2018 03:05:57 PM
MC said
Oct 9, 2018
Hey thanks for that. I learned something new today - had no idea that they did this back in the day.
Your car is really a looker - I've always been a fan of the fastback roofline on those. Thanks for the updates, it's nice to see it coming along.
2drpost said
Oct 9, 2018
Beautiful, love the fleetlinebody style. i see you used the 'bolt in' '70s F body 10 bolt rear end.
silver steak said
Oct 10, 2018
Good day, Yup the Pontiac Stream Liner is Canadian made and to my knowledge was built on the lines of the Chevrolet Fleetline ( or vice versa I don't know ) which to my understanding was also Canadian made, may stand corrected here. But the trim, front fenders, hood, dash cluster, gauges and trim were different ? To the best of my knowledge anyway.
The rear differential is out of a 1970 Camaro, the main reason I chose this unit was because the wheel width from flange to flange was identical to the old torque tube drive differential that I took out. This in itself made the brake conversion to Disc c/w Emergency brake very easy. Secondly, it is equipped with 3.73:1 gears. The original torque tube differential had 3.93: 1 If I recall correctly , so with the 25" diameter new tires ( my wifes choice of White walls ) the final drive ratio will be around 3.50 : 1 It's going to fun to see how the old girl will pull herself around ! If sluggish, I'll change it, either tires or gears.
Good stuff! Sounds like a engine rebuilder you can trust.
Well the L6 came home today, Christmas all over again. Looks like it just came off the assembly line.
That is purdy!
Look like a clean job!
Fitz.
Well the L6 is mounting in the stand waiting to be dressed for run up.
My solution to eliminating the Torque tube differential and Open ended Transmission ready to accept a 1310 U Joint and new transmission mount. Internals were checked gears, bearings, forks and seal all good. 44,000 miles on the car. The end piece of the alteration is made of 3/4" thick aluminum, old slip yoke was altered to keep original spline, then machined center of U joint flange and tigg welded to center. Then the complete spline and flange unit were pressed into sealed bearing, sealed bearing OD was machined to fit and be pressed into position into the aluminum, held with a C clip to retain it. This reinforced the trans output shaft as compared to to old system of a bushing that had little support and had shown wear. Now I'll change out the gear oil flush a few times with diesel oil then refill with new gear oil, clean, prime and paint. Now that the end is closed, I am considering the installation of a vent similar to newer auto's or a differential vent, can't hurt .
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 14th of March 2017 08:00:49 AM
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 14th of March 2017 08:06:56 AM
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 14th of March 2017 08:10:57 AM
Hey Gayne
I checked out valley customs as per your suggestion, they wanted more details than I could provide plus there cost was $ 950.00 your money, I got this done for $ 514.00 Cdn.
I am pleased with the outcome. thanks again for your input.
Regards
Dale
Dale, very impressive looking build so far. I love that conversion to open drive because those torque tube drives are goofy. Thank you for keeping that trusty flat head inliner in there, where it belongs. Good luck and looking forward to further up dates. Cheers. George
Well it's been awhile and a few things have advanced, today we ran the L6 and the results were very good. We ran it about 25 to 30 minutes at various rpm and the oil pressure was really good and steady. At 2000 rpm the oil pressure held 45 psi and at around 1200 rpm it dropped to 38 psi. I am really pleased with that result. Tomorrow we plan to complete the run in with another 30 minutes or so and we will call it chassis ready. As it stands now it is a 12 Volt system with electronics in the Distributor
I have a short video of the run in while in but unfortunately I don't know how to post a video so I'll post a picture .
Update:
Wow, it's been awhile since I posted an update on my wife's project, and it is going on Two years that the project is in progress, wowww time is flyingggg bye.
So, to summarize , the frame / Engine / transmission / drive shaft, differential , cooling system/ brake conversion to disc and dual master cylinder, suspension is complete, and you know I just realized I don't have ONE Picture of that completed work.
The Coach is complete , new floor pans, three cross braces, rear 1/4 panel front section, inner and outer rockers, wheel wells repaired, gas tank supports media blasted and primed. we'll be marrying the coach to the frame this week. I 'll post more pictures later
Dale
As promised, more pics of our project
Another Update of a week of progress, coach is married to the frame, new floor and cross braces fit quite nicely. Doors and truck lid are in place, right door went on OK, some adjustments required on the left, fenders are next. Suspension will need some adjusting, too stiff and too high in the rear.
-- Edited by silver steak on Thursday 13th of September 2018 08:00:25 PM
B.E.A.U.T.I.F.U.L. work and looking sweet.
Another update
She is home and ready for the winter, now wiring and interior work begins. Sorry about the pictures, before I had control of where and when the car ended up I didn't take any pictures of the car outside in the natural light,
anyway it is what it is.
Dale
Still looks great!
may i ask what is the color code i think it's the same color as mine shoal green metalic.
It is Fern Mist Green ( really high metallic ) my wife's choice .
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 9th of October 2018 07:22:25 AM
Looks great! You should be very proud of your work. Colour choice is spot-on IMHO.
Can I ask you what the purpose is of the urethane (?) pads that you have taped to the top of your frame?
Good observation of the red urethane pads.
Believe it or not, the car originally had a fiber like canvass material with the odd body shim to level the coach on the frame, a sort of body mount if you will. There were eleven mounts on each side of the car not including the radiator support. The ones that are held with masking tape are there and intended to be squeezed between the back floor of the coach to the top of the frame. it is incredible the amount of precautions and trimming we did to ensure the coach and frame stayed level to ensure body lines would be good, every time we move the rolling chassis we leveled it and still lines need more work.
It's a hobby , and the car is not needed to get me anywhere, so if they squeak, one at a time they will come out.
Regards
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 9th of October 2018 03:04:09 PM
-- Edited by silver steak on Tuesday 9th of October 2018 03:05:57 PM
Hey thanks for that. I learned something new today - had no idea that they did this back in the day.
Your car is really a looker - I've always been a fan of the fastback roofline on those. Thanks for the updates, it's nice to see it coming along.
Beautiful, love the fleetlinebody style. i see you used the 'bolt in' '70s F body 10 bolt rear end.
Good day, Yup the Pontiac Stream Liner is Canadian made and to my knowledge was built on the lines of the Chevrolet Fleetline ( or vice versa I don't know ) which to my understanding was also Canadian made, may stand corrected here. But the trim, front fenders, hood, dash cluster, gauges and trim were different ? To the best of my knowledge anyway.
The rear differential is out of a 1970 Camaro, the main reason I chose this unit was because the wheel width from flange to flange was identical to the old torque tube drive differential that I took out. This in itself made the brake conversion to Disc c/w Emergency brake very easy. Secondly, it is equipped with 3.73:1 gears. The original torque tube differential had 3.93: 1 If I recall correctly , so with the 25" diameter new tires ( my wifes choice of White walls ) the final drive ratio will be around 3.50 : 1 It's going to fun to see how the old girl will pull herself around ! If sluggish, I'll change it, either tires or gears.
Thanks Dale
Amazing work.