i've had past inquires about parts and info, thought i'd post some info and pictures for those who have thoughts about yanking gears. keep in mind, this is chevrolet, cdn pontiac.
starting with the pedals, '65-'70 pedals are basically the same. '65-'68 pedals have the clutch pedal stop angled toward the brake pedal, '69-'70 pedals the stop is opposite.
'65-'68 pedals
there is a slight difference in the '65-'68 pedal stops....
'69-'70 pedals, note the direction of the pedal stop.
'65-'68 pedals are much easier to find, the stop could be modified to work in the '69-'70s. also...the tab on the '69-'70 brake pedal is for the stop lamp switch, the '65-'68 stop switch contacts directly on the pedal.
the rest of the linkage are the same '65-'70....
pedal rod
cross shaft. this is a '69-'70 shaft, has an indent, for rev lockout rod? otherwise they are all the same.
65-70 fork rod pictured at top, bottom is a 68-72 nova/camaro rod which will work and is still available from GM. i use the nova rod, i find it easier to adjust than the pedal rod under the hood. nova rod (2 pieces)GM pn 340690 and 3973076
the fork....is 65-70 b-body only. the curved chevelle/nova/camaro fork does not work in these cars.
i've come across this early '80s truck fork that may work. it's almost straight, about 1" shorter. if you move the fork rod to the inside of the cross shaft, it should work. fork pn 15592270
fork stud, '65-'70 at top, chevelle/nova/camaro at bottom.
65-70 repro cross shaft frame bracket
this bracket is a '68-'72 nova/camaro bracket that i've heat/bent/cut to fit and drilled and bolted to the frame.
here are a couple views of the frame bracket placement.
bellhousing cross shaft stud mount. not sure if all b/housings have this mount, but you will need this.
view of the lower linkage. because of the rearward location of the cross shaft mount stud is why the curved fork does not work in the b-bodies.
more to come......
-- Edited by 69 belair on Saturday 16th of May 2009 07:26:41 PM
-- Edited by 69 belair on Saturday 16th of May 2009 07:39:46 PM
-- Edited by 69 belair on Sunday 17th of May 2009 04:52:49 PM
-- Edited by 69 belair on Monday 14th of November 2011 07:54:50 PM
-- Edited by 69 belair on Monday 14th of November 2011 07:56:53 PM
427carl said
May 17, 2009
Good info! thanks for the reminder I will need all this stuff, this week!
Elroy said
May 17, 2009
This is awesome! I will be putting the original 4spd back in the 67 car and this is a really good example to follow.
docpete said
Jun 26, 2011
69 belair wrote:
this bracket is a '68-'72 nova/camaro bracket that i've heat/bent/cut to fit and drilled and bolted to the frame.
Man this is a really great post! Now... is it possible to see more of this "bolt-on" bracket please??? The bend in the frame on these cars makes it a bit tricky to decide how to fabricate something like this. My original frame bracket has broken clean off, and with my HD pressure plate I would like to have something a bit more substantial and removable/adjustable would be a big plus...
4SPEED427 said
Oct 9, 2012
A question for you Dave and rather than PM you I will ask here in case others run into this-
I just installed my 4 speed as you know, but I can`t even come close to getting the freeplay down to an acceptable level. With the pedal pushrod as long as it will go, I still have close to 3 inches of freeplay in the pedal
According to the Luk book, I have the right clutch assembly, 04-049 and I know from your pictures I have the correct fork. Vince pulled all this stuff out of the same car for me so I know I have the right linkage. Any ideas? It's as if I should have the long release bearing in there but everywhere I look says the short one is correct and that is the one that was in the kit.
saint said
Nov 16, 2014
it looks like a 409 manifold in clutch linkage photo if so could you give more details
4SPEED427 said
Nov 16, 2014
I think he has a 454. I wonder if that is a Corvette 427 manifold?
danny06 said
Jan 5, 2018
what a great post !i wondering would anyone have for sale any of these pieces i would need to conv my 69 to 4 speed thx guys danny
The pedals and the correct clutch fork will be the tough ones to find. Don't listen to anyone who tells you they have a correct NEW clutch fork. None of the reproductions are correct for this conversion no matter what promises you get. You must find a good used one or an NOS part.
-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Friday 5th of January 2018 05:39:30 PM
Dave (2drpost), is there any way you can post all those pictures to the site so they will show up again?
4SPEED427 said
Jan 5, 2018
Never mind, I just installed an extension that allows me to see Photobucket pictures again.
How many of you are seeing the pictures, how many of you can't see them?
Howmac said
Jan 5, 2018
Danny , are you looking at just converting to a 4 spd cheaply ( punching a hole through the floor etc.... ) , or are you trying for the correct factory look ? ( and do you want console or bench seat ?)
4 spd's were quite rare in 69 both for the Pontiac and Chevrolet B bodies .( 69 Pontiac is the same as the 69 chevrolet ....Impala etc)
Correct parts are scarce and are not cheap.
I'm not trying to scare you away with this thought , but you should do all your research before you start purchasing . Reason ... there is a good chance you may not find some of rare parts to compete the project . Besides the basic 4 spd parts such as trans, bell housing , clutch assembly , which are easily obtained, you will need to find the following :
4 spd hump , shifter assemblies ( either Hurst or factory Muncie are both very hard to find) ,clutch springs , 4 spd console , shifter boots ( console or bench?) , rings , bezels , pedal assemblies , 4 spd floor shift column , back drive assembly , clutch rod boot , clutch fork , 4 spd crossmember , etc...
Its easily going to cost you $4-5,000 if going for the correct original look .
Or you may get lucky and find a 4 speed parts car , and if you find one ... grab it .
You can PM me if you want and i can discuss with you.
Howard
Pontiacanada said
Jan 5, 2018
Carl Stevenson wrote:
How many of you are seeing the pictures, how many of you can't see them?
Can't.
4SPEED427 said
Jan 5, 2018
There's a patch for Firefox and Chrome to allow you to see them.
Greaser said
Jan 5, 2018
Pontiacanada wrote:
Carl Stevenson wrote:
How many of you are seeing the pictures, how many of you can't see them?
Can't.
Can't X 2
4SPEED427 said
Jan 5, 2018
I think if you are are using Internet Explorer you are sunk but if you google "Photobucket patch" you will find what's needed for the other 2.
427carl said
Jan 5, 2018
Carl Stevenson wrote:
Never mind, I just installed an extension that allows me to see Photobucket pictures again.
How many of you are seeing the pictures, how many of you can't see them?
They are all unavailable to me . including the library . I looked up the "photo bucket lock" and they want 40.00 per month for me to see any
Pontiacanada said
Jan 5, 2018
Carl Stevenson wrote:
There's a patch for Firefox and Chrome to allow you to see them.
I have both, but I've never had a Photobucket account. Would it still apply in my case?
427carl said
Jan 5, 2018
Pontiacanada wrote:
Carl Stevenson wrote:
There's a patch for Firefox and Chrome to allow you to see them.
I have both, but I've never had a Photobucket account. Would it still apply in my case?
I have Chrome and on it I got the photobucket pricing . I'll look on my IMac Safari and "see" . NOPE
-- Edited by 427carl on Friday 5th of January 2018 09:19:40 PM
There's a patch for Firefox and Chrome to allow you to see them.
I have both, but I've never had a Photobucket account. Would it still apply in my case?
Use either Chrome or Firefox, get the patch and you're set Darryl.
magmom said
Jul 10, 2018
i cant
danny06 said
Jul 10, 2018
what agreat posting thx for sharing im still lookin for peddles to install the 4speed in my 69 conv
4SPEED427 said
Jul 10, 2018
I'm hoping to get that 68 pedal setup someday still, if I can ever get back to that wrecking yard! Even if you don't want it, I'm going to grab it because I know someone can use it.
seventy2plus2 said
Jul 10, 2018
danny06 wrote:
what agreat posting thx for sharing im still lookin for peddles to install the 4speed in my 69 conv
I sold a set of 69/70 pedals a year or so ago, they'd been harvested out of a 70 Impala.
i've had past inquires about parts and info, thought i'd post some info and pictures for those who have thoughts about yanking gears.
keep in mind, this is chevrolet, cdn pontiac.
starting with the pedals, '65-'70 pedals are basically the same.
'65-'68 pedals have the clutch pedal stop angled toward the brake pedal,
'69-'70 pedals the stop is opposite.
'65-'68 pedals
there is a slight difference in the '65-'68 pedal stops....
'69-'70 pedals, note the direction of the pedal stop.
'65-'68 pedals are much easier to find, the stop could be modified to work in the '69-'70s.
also...the tab on the '69-'70 brake pedal is for the stop lamp switch, the '65-'68 stop switch contacts directly on the pedal.
the rest of the linkage are the same '65-'70....
pedal rod
cross shaft. this is a '69-'70 shaft, has an indent, for rev lockout rod? otherwise they are all the same.
65-70 fork rod pictured at top, bottom is a 68-72 nova/camaro rod which will work and is still available from GM.
i use the nova rod, i find it easier to adjust than the pedal rod under the hood.
nova rod (2 pieces)GM pn 340690 and 3973076
the fork....is 65-70 b-body only. the curved chevelle/nova/camaro fork does not work in these cars.
i've come across this early '80s truck fork that may work. it's almost straight, about 1" shorter. if you move the fork rod to the inside of the cross shaft, it should work.
fork pn 15592270
fork stud, '65-'70 at top, chevelle/nova/camaro at bottom.
65-70 repro cross shaft frame bracket
this bracket is a '68-'72 nova/camaro bracket that i've heat/bent/cut to fit and drilled and bolted to the frame.
here are a couple views of the frame bracket placement.
bellhousing cross shaft stud mount. not sure if all b/housings have this mount, but you will need this.
view of the lower linkage. because of the rearward location of the cross shaft mount stud is why the curved fork does not work in the b-bodies.
more to come......
-- Edited by 69 belair on Saturday 16th of May 2009 07:26:41 PM
-- Edited by 69 belair on Saturday 16th of May 2009 07:39:46 PM
-- Edited by 69 belair on Sunday 17th of May 2009 04:52:49 PM
-- Edited by 69 belair on Monday 14th of November 2011 07:54:50 PM
-- Edited by 69 belair on Monday 14th of November 2011 07:56:53 PM
Man this is a really great post! Now... is it possible to see more of this "bolt-on" bracket please??? The bend in the frame on these cars makes it a bit tricky to decide how to fabricate something like this. My original frame bracket has broken clean off, and with my HD pressure plate I would like to have something a bit more substantial and removable/adjustable would be a big plus...
I just installed my 4 speed as you know, but I can`t even come close to getting the freeplay down to an acceptable level. With the pedal pushrod as long as it will go, I still have close to 3 inches of freeplay in the pedal
According to the Luk book, I have the right clutch assembly, 04-049 and I know from your pictures I have the correct fork. Vince pulled all this stuff out of the same car for me so I know I have the right linkage. Any ideas? It's as if I should have the long release bearing in there but everywhere I look says the short one is correct and that is the one that was in the kit.
what a great post !i wondering would anyone have for sale any of these pieces i would need to conv my 69 to 4 speed thx guys danny
-- Edited by Carl Stevenson on Friday 5th of January 2018 05:39:30 PM
How many of you are seeing the pictures, how many of you can't see them?
Danny , are you looking at just converting to a 4 spd cheaply ( punching a hole through the floor etc.... ) , or are you trying for the correct factory look ? ( and do you want console or bench seat ?)
4 spd's were quite rare in 69 both for the Pontiac and Chevrolet B bodies .( 69 Pontiac is the same as the 69 chevrolet ....Impala etc)
Correct parts are scarce and are not cheap.
I'm not trying to scare you away with this thought , but you should do all your research before you start purchasing . Reason ... there is a good chance you may not find some of rare parts to compete the project . Besides the basic 4 spd parts such as trans, bell housing , clutch assembly , which are easily obtained, you will need to find the following :
4 spd hump , shifter assemblies ( either Hurst or factory Muncie are both very hard to find) ,clutch springs , 4 spd console , shifter boots ( console or bench?) , rings , bezels , pedal assemblies , 4 spd floor shift column , back drive assembly , clutch rod boot , clutch fork , 4 spd crossmember , etc...
Its easily going to cost you $4-5,000 if going for the correct original look .
Or you may get lucky and find a 4 speed parts car , and if you find one ... grab it .
You can PM me if you want and i can discuss with you.
Howard
Can't.
Can't X 2
They are all unavailable to me . including the library . I looked up the "photo bucket lock" and they want 40.00 per month for me to see any
I have both, but I've never had a Photobucket account. Would it still apply in my case?
I have Chrome and on it I got the photobucket pricing . I'll look on my IMac Safari and "see" . NOPE
-- Edited by 427carl on Friday 5th of January 2018 09:19:40 PM
Got the Chrome patch . thanks !!!!
Use either Chrome or Firefox, get the patch and you're set Darryl.
i cant
what agreat posting thx for sharing im still lookin for peddles to install the 4speed in my 69 conv
I sold a set of 69/70 pedals a year or so ago, they'd been harvested out of a 70 Impala.