Went out to the farm for Thanksgiving and there is an old Pontiac coupe in the back 40. Just the body no frame. Think it is a '41. Took a picture of the tag.
the one on the farm appears more "original" though
Oracle said
Oct 11, 2011
1941 Pontiac Fleetleader Special Series 2000 2-door Sedan Coupe model 2027. However note that it's a Regina, Saskatchwan-assembled car so ultra-rare. Pity it's not complete as it should be in a museum... 1941 assembly ended by end June 1941 as the plant closed and became a munitions plant.
-- Edited by Oracle on Tuesday 11th of October 2011 01:40:24 AM
Oracle said
Oct 11, 2011
I am always after plate details on Regina cars...having written the plant history.
As an aside a guy in the UK bought a '38 McLaughlin-Buick that someone had imported in modern times from Canada..it turned out to be a Regina car. I suggested that after restoration he should send it back home, to the Reynolds-Alberta Museum. They have a few Regina cars and trucks there. That '41 could perhaps be a good donor of parts..I assume that the climate is pretty dry on the plains?
67Poncho said
Oct 11, 2011
Oracle wrote:
1941 Pontiac Fleetleader Special Series 2000 2-door Sedan Coupe model 2027. However note that it's a Regina, Saskatchwan-assembled car so ultra-rare. Pity it's not complete as it should be in a museum... 1941 assembly ended by end June 1941 as the plant closed and became a munitions plant.
-- Edited by Oracle on Tuesday 11th of October 2011 01:40:24 AM
I was looking at the same thing, Regina built, before I saw your post! I believe I added another Regina one in the past week or so!!
1941
unknown 12-11 6cyl 148 (341 int.) Sask. no pic #668 Master Deluxe 2dr town sdn Penguin Grey 67Poncho Regina Build 8
-- Edited by 67Poncho on Tuesday 11th of October 2011 07:12:36 PM
67Poncho said
Oct 11, 2011
One thing I have noticed is that the Regina tags seem to have a dash between the first and second digits... I seem to recall that the Oshawa ones don't but I will check!
Seems to be true!!
Regina:
Oshawa:
JC2+2 said
Oct 11, 2011
Oracle wrote:
1941 Pontiac Fleetleader Special Series 2000 2-door Sedan Coupe model 2027. However note that it's a Regina, Saskatchwan-assembled car so ultra-rare. Pity it's not complete as it should be in a museum... 1941 assembly ended by end June 1941 as the plant closed and became a munitions plant.
So, anyone know how many cars came out of the Regina plant in '41 before they shut it down? I never knew there even was a plant in Regina. I learned something new today. Cool history.
Oracle said
Oct 12, 2011
The Regina Plant story is one that will be familiar to many people...small city encourages Big Business....only to see it close down...then re-open...then close-down...then re-open...then after a few yeara re-open for a few years only to be dedicated for the war effort and then never re-opened. You can imagine how many people were taken-on, then laid-off, each time. Very sad.
I agree about the plates...the stamper must have decided to add their own personal touch and it does seem that there is indeed an extra '-' on Regina plates.
As to numbers: we don't yet know how many were built there in 1941 but we do know that Chevrolet car serials ran to # 5150. On top of that were:
McLaughlin-Buick
MODEL 40 SPECIAL
Chevrolet:
SPECIAL DE LUXE SERIES MODEL 1211 2-DOOR TOWN SEDAN WITH TRUNK MODEL 1227B 3-PASSENGER BUSINESS COUPE MODEL 1227 5-PASSENGER COUPE MODEL 1219 4-DOOR SPORT SEDAN WITH TRUNK
MASTER DE LUXE SERIES MODEL 1011 2-DOOR TOWN SEDAN WITH TRUNK MODEL 1027B 3-PASSENGER BUSINESS COUPE MODEL 1027 5-PASSENGER COUPE MODEL 1019 4-DOOR SPORT SEDAN WITH TRUNK
Chevrolet trucks:
I/2-TON MODEL 1300 1 TON MODEL 1420 1 1/2 TON MODEL 1570 2 TON MODEL 1530 SERIES 134.5 wb/ 1540 SERIES 160wb
MAPLE LEAF 1941 MODELS 1/2 TON MODEL 1660 135 wb MODEL 1670 1597 wb MODEL 1680 177 wb MODEL 3 TON MODEL 1760 135 wb MODEL 1770 159 wb MODEL 1780 177 wb
GMC trucks: 1/2 TON MODEL 9300 1 TON MODEL 9400
1 1/2 TON MODEL 9570 2 TON MODEL 9530 134.5 wb MODEL 9540 160 wb MODEL 2 TON C.O.E MODEL 9850 109 wb MODEL 9860 132 wb MODEL 9870 158wb
2 1/2 TON MODEL 9660 135 wb MODEL 9670 159 wb MODEL 9680 177 wb MODEL 3 TON MODEL 9760H 135 wb MODEL 9770H 159 wb MODEL 9780H 177 wb
Oldsmobile:
1941 MODEL 60 SPECIAL SIX
Pontiac:
1941 MODEL FLEETLEADER #122xx80001+ 1941 MODEL FLEETLEADER SPECIAL #120xx82001+ 1941 DELUXE TORPEDO #125xx80001+
-- Edited by Oracle on Wednesday 12th of October 2011 02:45:16 AM
-- Edited by Oracle on Wednesday 12th of October 2011 08:58:44 AM
Pontiacanada said
Oct 12, 2011
Very cool info. David.
It would be VERY nice to find either a Regina built:
GMC truck: 1/2 TON MODEL 9300 1 TON MODEL 9400 # 194xx80001+
or better yet a:
MAPLE LEAF 1941 MODEL: 1/2 TON MODEL 1660 135 wb MODEL 1670 1597 wb MODEL 1680 177 wb
Oracle said
Oct 12, 2011
GMC chassis cab with Box
MODEL 9573 SERIAL 1-957380119 ENGINE G17908 BODY SERIAL 2 PAINT 142
which had the 224 Pontiac engine
I think it's a 2 1/2 tonner..73 is a chassis-cab but the mystery is that the Parts List does not show a 9573, just a 9673.
Three Chevy commercials:
1941 MODEL ½ TON PICKUP DELIVERY GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LIMITED OSHAWA WALKERVILLE REGINA Model 1314 Ser. 1-131481286 ENGINE 33711123,731,112? Body s.n. 556 Trim----- Paint 143
ANOTHER PLATE SAYS THAT CHASSIS WEIGHT IS 2,285 LBS AND NOT TO EXCEED 4,400LBS
1941 MODEL 1 TON PICKUP DELIVERY GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LIMITED OSHAWA WALKERVILLE REGINA Model 1424 Ser. 1-142480823 ENGINE T3710945 Body s.n. 155 Trim----- Paint 150 CHASSIS 2625 NOTE T PREFIX ENGINE
MODEL 1424 SERIAL #: 11242481655 ENGINE #: T3705065 BODY SER. 300 PAINT: 134 TRIM ???
Stephenzone said
Oct 12, 2011
gm parts book (212-51 edition) lists 95 series as 2 ton for 1940 but not with 71 body code. 95 came with 31-32-33-35 on a 133" wheel base and 41-42-43 on a 158 1/2" wheel base. engine listed as 224
RacerRick said
Oct 17, 2011
Thats a solid looking car. Around here, all that would be left would be the glass!
dualquadpete said
Oct 17, 2011
My 38 chevy 2dr coach's plate had the Regina on it, but have no idea if it was built there or in Osh. Cars long gone now.
Oracle said
Oct 17, 2011
The Regina and Walkerville names appeared on plates from 1929 to 1942ish. Regina was by then the Western Zone distribution depot, before in became an assembly plant in December 1937. Cars and possibly trucks sent out from Regina in 1935 had a 'W' suffix as a consequence. The only way to tell a 1938-41 Regina vehicle was the '8' instead of a '0' after the Model Number. Walkerville was an assembly plant, last being used for trucks in 1932 but they did not seem to have used a plant code: just different sequences for Oshawa, Regina and Walkerville, 1929 to 1932.
67Poncho said
Oct 17, 2011
Oracle wrote:
The Regina and Walkerville names appeared on plates from 1929 to 1942ish. Regina was by then the Western Zone distribution depot, before in became an assembly plant in December 1937. Cars and possibly trucks sent out from Regina in 1935 had a 'W' suffix as a consequence. The only way to tell a 1938-41 Regina vehicle was the '8' instead of a '0' after the Model Number. Walkerville was an assembly plant, last being used for trucks in 1932 but they did not seem to have used a plant code: just different sequences for Oshawa, Regina and Walkerville, 1929 to 1932.
Do you or have you seen a Walkerville plate??
Roman said
Dec 14, 2011
So is it for sale?
JC2+2 said
Dec 14, 2011
Roman wrote:
So is it for sale?
Wasn't planning on it. I would like to rod it someday being there is no chassis under it. It might be rare but not museum worthy. So not in my interest to restore to original. Much nicer like the photo Crazy J posted. If I change my mind I promise to post it here first.
Went out to the farm for Thanksgiving and there is an old Pontiac coupe in the back 40. Just the body no frame. Think it is a '41. Took a picture of the tag.
wow ! thats a rare one
A 41 just like the one at the farm.
the one on the farm appears more "original" though
1941 Pontiac Fleetleader Special Series 2000 2-door Sedan Coupe model 2027. However note that it's a Regina, Saskatchwan-assembled car so ultra-rare. Pity it's not complete as it should be in a museum... 1941 assembly ended by end June 1941 as the plant closed and became a munitions plant.
-- Edited by Oracle on Tuesday 11th of October 2011 01:40:24 AM
As an aside a guy in the UK bought a '38 McLaughlin-Buick that someone had imported in modern times from Canada..it turned out to be a Regina car. I suggested that after restoration he should send it back home, to the Reynolds-Alberta Museum. They have a few Regina cars and trucks there. That '41 could perhaps be a good donor of parts..I assume that the climate is pretty dry on the plains?
I was looking at the same thing, Regina built, before I saw your post! I believe I added another Regina one in the past week or so!!
1941
unknown 12-11 6cyl 148 (341 int.) Sask. no pic
#668 Master Deluxe 2dr town sdn Penguin Grey
67Poncho Regina Build 8
-- Edited by 67Poncho on Tuesday 11th of October 2011 07:12:36 PM
One thing I have noticed is that the Regina tags seem to have a dash between the first and second digits... I seem to recall that the Oshawa ones don't but I will check!
Seems to be true!!
Regina:
Oshawa:
The Regina Plant story is one that will be familiar to many people...small city encourages Big Business....only to see it close down...then re-open...then close-down...then re-open...then after a few yeara re-open for a few years only to be dedicated for the war effort and then never re-opened. You can imagine how many people were taken-on, then laid-off, each time. Very sad.
I agree about the plates...the stamper must have decided to add their own personal touch and it does seem that there is indeed an extra '-' on Regina plates.
As to numbers: we don't yet know how many were built there in 1941 but we do know that Chevrolet car serials ran to # 5150. On top of that were:
McLaughlin-Buick
MODEL 40 SPECIAL
Chevrolet:
SPECIAL DE LUXE SERIES
MODEL 1211 2-DOOR TOWN SEDAN WITH TRUNK
MODEL 1227B 3-PASSENGER BUSINESS COUPE
MODEL 1227 5-PASSENGER COUPE
MODEL 1219 4-DOOR SPORT SEDAN WITH TRUNK
MASTER DE LUXE SERIES
MODEL 1011 2-DOOR TOWN SEDAN WITH TRUNK
MODEL 1027B 3-PASSENGER BUSINESS COUPE
MODEL 1027 5-PASSENGER COUPE
MODEL 1019 4-DOOR SPORT SEDAN WITH TRUNK
Chevrolet trucks:
I/2-TON MODEL 1300
1 TON MODEL 1420
1 1/2 TON MODEL 1570
2 TON MODEL 1530 SERIES 134.5 wb/ 1540 SERIES 160wb
MAPLE LEAF 1941 MODELS
1/2 TON MODEL 1660 135 wb
MODEL 1670 1597 wb
MODEL 1680 177 wb
MODEL 3 TON MODEL 1760 135 wb
MODEL 1770 159 wb
MODEL 1780 177 wb
GMC trucks:
1/2 TON MODEL 9300
1 TON MODEL 9400
1 1/2 TON MODEL 9570 2 TON MODEL 9530 134.5 wb
MODEL 9540 160 wb
MODEL 2 TON C.O.E MODEL 9850 109 wb
MODEL 9860 132 wb
MODEL 9870 158wb
2 1/2 TON MODEL 9660 135 wb
MODEL 9670 159 wb
MODEL 9680 177 wb
MODEL 3 TON MODEL 9760H 135 wb
MODEL 9770H 159 wb
MODEL 9780H 177 wb
Oldsmobile:
1941 MODEL 60 SPECIAL SIX
Pontiac:
1941 MODEL FLEETLEADER #122xx80001+
1941 MODEL FLEETLEADER SPECIAL #120xx82001+
1941 DELUXE TORPEDO #125xx80001+
-- Edited by Oracle on Wednesday 12th of October 2011 02:45:16 AM
-- Edited by Oracle on Wednesday 12th of October 2011 08:58:44 AM
Very cool info. David.
It would be VERY nice to find either a Regina built:
GMC truck:
1/2 TON MODEL 9300
1 TON MODEL 9400 # 194xx80001+
or better yet a:
MAPLE LEAF 1941 MODEL:
1/2 TON MODEL 1660 135 wb
MODEL 1670 1597 wb
MODEL 1680 177 wb
MODEL 9573
SERIAL 1-957380119
ENGINE G17908
BODY SERIAL 2
PAINT 142
which had the 224 Pontiac engine
I think it's a 2 1/2 tonner..73 is a chassis-cab but the mystery is that the Parts List does not show a 9573, just a 9673.
Three Chevy commercials:
1941 MODEL ½ TON PICKUP DELIVERY
GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LIMITED
OSHAWA WALKERVILLE REGINA
Model 1314
Ser. 1-131481286
ENGINE 33711123,731,112?
Body s.n. 556
Trim-----
Paint 143
ANOTHER PLATE SAYS THAT CHASSIS WEIGHT IS 2,285 LBS AND NOT TO EXCEED 4,400LBS
1941 MODEL 1 TON PICKUP DELIVERY
GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LIMITED
OSHAWA WALKERVILLE REGINA
Model 1424
Ser. 1-142480823
ENGINE T3710945
Body s.n. 155
Trim-----
Paint 150
CHASSIS 2625
NOTE T PREFIX ENGINE
MODEL 1424
SERIAL #: 11242481655
ENGINE #: T3705065 BODY SER. 300
PAINT: 134 TRIM ???
Do you or have you seen a Walkerville plate??