-- Edited by oshawacliff on Sunday 6th of May 2012 02:53:39 PM
since 1983 said
May 6, 2012
i dont have a hone , is there an other way to make it nice ????
i guess a hone is not to expensive ?
2drpost said
May 6, 2012
should be able to pick one up for around $20, most parts stores will have them or crappy tire
since 1983 said
May 7, 2012
thanks a lot for the info , i will pick one up tomorow
i checked the inside of the cylinder and it looks nice , but with some light surface rust though , but no pitted rust
there is one thing that is strange , i have GM orig chassis shop manual and i found an exploded view of the master cyl. i wish i could scan that page , but my scan is not in operation yet on this printer/ computer.
this picture shows a seal that would go right before the piston retaining clip ( after there is the piston assembly etc ) actually this seal is not in the cylinder everything past the retaining clip is in the cylinder , this seal would be between the outer cylinder ( cyl extention ) by the mounting flange to be fixed to the fire wall)
anyways, the shop manual shows that seal but my master cyl i dismanteled does not have it , either does my kit ( N O S ) i ordered
i figure there where some with and some without this seal in that production year ??????
67Poncho said
May 7, 2012
You know, a replacement cylinder is a heck of alot easier than what you are doing! (I appreciate you rebuilding it yourself)
Like Roger said, 1/2 hour and you are applying the brakes at the first stop sign! To go through all the trouble to disassemble, clean, hone and reassemble, correctly I may add, your down time is not cost effictive!
But, if you have time to burn, I guess you have a good start!
Just replacing it would have been a much more time less lost alternative!
Just my now defunct 2 pennies!!!! (lol)
since 1983 said
May 7, 2012
my answers to 67 poncho has 3 words to it
YOUR DAMN RIGHT !!!!!!
&?%&%?&%?*(( (((( !!! 1 can t find a hone ( called 2 stores today ) i think i might get one tomorow 2 my wife and kids will not let me in the house because of my bad smell from my parts cleaner tub it is soaking in 3 finally i just wanted to experience this once , but it is so faster and simpler to get rebuilt unit for 25.00 more ! 4 my time is limited these days , im am in a busy period of the year , ( landscaping )
anyways...........live and learn ! , ( i have tons of work to do on the Beaumont !)
-- Edited by since 1983 on Monday 7th of May 2012 08:46:55 PM
67Poncho said
May 8, 2012
Please, no offense or criticism intended! Like I stated, I appreciate you rebuilding it yourself.. That's how we learn. and you should still do it!
Just more time effective if you have no time to do it! Hey, listen, I use to rebuild my wheel cylinders up to 10 years ago.
But there seems to be more supply lately and to go through all the hassle for a $9 rear wheel cylinder on a '70 Catalina was just not worth it!
My Mom would always give me heck... Rebuilding a carb on the kitchen table was a good idea at the time..... Till she came home!!!!! (lol)
since 1983 said
May 8, 2012
i have to add one thing after all these words , i thought i would rebuild it also with the idea of not putting it in the trash , these days we are putting everyyhing to waste and we dont fix things lke we use to.
but after re thinking this over , the hell with my idea , my old one would of have been rebuild.................by the same kind of patient guy like me in a shop , but with all the facilitys
like i said live and learn
got to go see if i can get a hone !
Professur said
May 8, 2012
How I usually do it is to buy a reman .. and the rebuild kit. Put in the reman and get the car back on the road toute suite ... then rebuild the original at my leisure. Then you've got a spare on the shelf waiting for the next time you need it.
since 1983 said
May 8, 2012
well lucky me , i called a couple of places , and asked a couple of buddys , and no results
so i drop by my local service station tonight , and i ask the owner if he has a hone and could do it to my master cyl
he tells me whe dont use those anymore , we replace everything now , and no longer rebuild anytyhing on place
he tells me i dont think i still have those hones , but checks in his drawers , oh i have one and it fits right in there , and you can have it
sir you just made my day , sometimes we are surronded by good people...as simple as that !
also got my steering box out to have the pitman shaft fixed , the shop i wil take it to chromes the shaft to makes it fit back in place , first time i hear about that , it has an up and down play on the shaft.
-- Edited by since 1983 on Tuesday 8th of May 2012 09:39:22 PM
since 1983 said
May 14, 2012
well got that master reassembled and bled the master and all the 4 wheels
she s brakin fine my old chev
thanks for the advice boys
and next time a get a rebuilt unit , lot faster ! glad anyways i took the time
Stephenzone said
May 14, 2012
not gonna learn unless you do it. first time i did my 55 she got honed, the acadian and 2+2 got new. felt good when i had to hammer it in a panic stop, towing a trailer i might add and everything held.
If what you say is correct, sounds like a master cylinder to me... Don't bother with a kit. Get yourself a reman!
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-- Edited by 67Poncho on Sunday 29th of April 2012 12:44:27 AM
who can tell me what my trouble is on my 65 chev ( l ets say it s a 65 Laurentien ok )
so when i brake sometimes my pedal goes right down to the floor
if i pumpit i will get back my presure , this happens sometimes
and my pedal does sink if i hold it down firmly
how about a master cyl rebuid kit , would that do it
note in 65 these cars had single line system , wich my car stil has
thanks !
quick fix, buy the reman... bench bleed it , an your back on the road in 30 minutes...
thank you all
Put fresh brake fluid in and completely bleed the system after you get the master sorted out.
hello all i got the master out of the car and took it apart , there isnt much to take a part !!
i took out the retaining clip , then the piston and spring and the rubber bumper at the end of the cylinder
my question is ????? is there any other special attention the give besides cleaning it all up and reassembling the master ?
then a bleed the master and the 4 wheel cylinders
thank you all
-- Edited by since 1983 on Saturday 5th of May 2012 09:36:49 PM
hone the bore with a wheel cylinder hone. clean it out very well, check for rust pitting.
Check out this link for a photo of the hone.
www.mytoolstore.com/kd/kdbrak08.html
KD are usually quality tools.
Cliff
-- Edited by oshawacliff on Sunday 6th of May 2012 02:53:39 PM
i guess a hone is not to expensive ?
should be able to pick one up for around $20, most parts stores will have them or crappy tire
i checked the inside of the cylinder and it looks nice , but with some light surface rust though , but no pitted rust
there is one thing that is strange , i have GM orig chassis shop manual and i found an exploded view of the master cyl. i wish i could scan that page , but my scan is not in operation yet on this printer/ computer.
this picture shows a seal that would go right before the piston retaining clip ( after there is the piston assembly etc ) actually this seal is not in the cylinder everything past the retaining clip is in the cylinder , this seal would be between the outer cylinder ( cyl extention ) by the mounting flange to be fixed to the fire wall)
anyways, the shop manual shows that seal but my master cyl i dismanteled does not have it , either does my kit ( N O S ) i ordered
i figure there where some with and some without this seal in that production year ??????
You know, a replacement cylinder is a heck of alot easier than what you are doing! (I appreciate you rebuilding it yourself)
Like Roger said, 1/2 hour and you are applying the brakes at the first stop sign! To go through all the trouble to disassemble, clean, hone and reassemble, correctly I may add, your down time is not cost effictive!
But, if you have time to burn, I guess you have a good start!
Just replacing it would have been a much more time less lost alternative!
Just my now defunct 2 pennies!!!! (lol)
my answers to 67 poncho has 3 words to it
YOUR DAMN RIGHT !!!!!!
&?%&%?&%?*(( (((( !!! 1 can t find a hone ( called 2 stores today ) i think i might get one tomorow
2 my wife and kids will not let me in the house because of my bad smell from
my parts cleaner tub it is soaking in
3 finally i just wanted to experience this once , but it is so faster and simpler
to get rebuilt unit for 25.00 more !
4 my time is limited these days , im am in a busy period of the year ,
( landscaping )
anyways...........live and learn ! , ( i have tons of work to do on the Beaumont !)
-- Edited by since 1983 on Monday 7th of May 2012 08:46:55 PM
Please, no offense or criticism intended! Like I stated, I appreciate you rebuilding it yourself.. That's how we learn. and you should still do it!
Just more time effective if you have no time to do it! Hey, listen, I use to rebuild my wheel cylinders up to 10 years ago.
But there seems to be more supply lately and to go through all the hassle for a $9 rear wheel cylinder on a '70 Catalina was just not worth it!
My Mom would always give me heck... Rebuilding a carb on the kitchen table was a good idea at the time..... Till she came home!!!!! (lol)
but after re thinking this over , the hell with my idea , my old one would of have been rebuild.................by the same kind of patient guy like me in a shop , but with all the facilitys
like i said live and learn
got to go see if i can get a hone !
well lucky me , i called a couple of places , and asked a couple of buddys , and no results
so i drop by my local service station tonight , and i ask the owner if he has a hone and could do it to my master cyl
he tells me whe dont use those anymore , we replace everything now , and no longer rebuild anytyhing on place
he tells me i dont think i still have those hones , but checks in his drawers , oh i have one and it fits right in there , and you can have it
sir you just made my day , sometimes we are surronded by good people...as simple as that !
also got my steering box out to have the pitman shaft fixed , the shop i wil take it to chromes the shaft to makes it fit back in place , first time i hear about that , it has an up and down play on the shaft.
-- Edited by since 1983 on Tuesday 8th of May 2012 09:39:22 PM
she s brakin fine my old chev
thanks for the advice boys
and next time a get a rebuilt unit , lot faster ! glad anyways i took the time