I have mine out and cleaned up
They are black
With a dab of white on top coil
And three dabs of yellow three coils down( 1 on each coil)
Question does this give a clue as to what spring it is ?
For example is this normal for the small block?
Hope my question makes sense
Thanks Greg
SGS Welding said
Jun 9, 2016
Rumors on the interweb say white goes up??
Anyone know for sure?
seventy2plus2 said
Jun 9, 2016
The springs will only go in one way.
SGS Welding said
Jun 12, 2016
I have been fighting with my spring all day
I don't have the internal spring compressor
I have realized that the outside spring compressors won't work
I have the spindle in place and just need to compress the spring enough to get the big bolt that attaches the bottom arm to the frame
Can I achieve this by using a 1/2 inch piece of threaded rod (2 feet long approx) where the shock normally resides?
Anyone else ever try this?
Thanks guys
seventy2plus2 said
Jun 12, 2016
Do you have a service manual? It shows the tool that is required (which you can make out of flat steel bar stock) to compress the spring. It inserts through the hole where the shock mounts, and you use a jack to lift the tool to lift the inner side of the lower control arm. If you don't have a service manual, I can maybe take a photo of the page and post it.
SGS Welding said
Jun 12, 2016
No I don't have a manual
I would really appreciate a picture of the page your talking about!
Thanks
Greg
seventy2plus2 said
Jun 12, 2016
Please see attached photo's from my 1970 Chassis Shop Manual (1967 front suspension is the same). It indicates to have the front sway bar and the strut rod detached from the lower control arm. With them removed it's much easier to move the lower control arm around.
-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Sunday 12th of June 2016 11:33:38 PM
A word of advice, get yourself a 1967 Canadian Pontiac Chassis Shop Manual (otherwise known as a Factory Service Manual), should be available at local swap meets. An Impala one will be close, but if you're going to get one you may as well get the right one. It'll cost you $50-60, but is worth its weight in gold.
Here's one in poor condition, but it's good for a shop copy:
Thanks so much for the pics!
That helps a lot!
I look for one of those manuals at every swap meet I go to, no luck so far.
On a brighter note I did find 1 for my son (53 ford pick up)
The book on eBay?
Does it cover full size? Or just the smaller cars? (Acadian Beaumont)
Thanks again!
SGS Welding said
Jun 13, 2016
One more question
In the manual does it say to support the hub with a jack stand (I see it in the picture)
I'm thinking it would slip off under pressure??
Thanks again Greg
seventy2plus2 said
Jun 13, 2016
SGS Welding wrote:
Thanks so much for the pics! That helps a lot! I look for one of those manuals at every swap meet I go to, no luck so far. On a brighter note I did find 1 for my son (53 ford pick up) The book on eBay? Does it cover full size? Or just the smaller cars? (Acadian Beaumont) Thanks again!
When it says "Pontiac" it means it's covering full size cars (B-body's).
seventy2plus2 said
Jun 13, 2016
SGS Welding wrote:
One more question In the manual does it say to support the hub with a jack stand (I see it in the picture) I'm thinking it would slip off under pressure?? Thanks again Greg
No, that would limit the ability to jack the control arm into place. I suspect the jack stand in the photo is on the frame behind the front wheel.
SGS Welding said
Jun 13, 2016
I see it now too!
Thanks so much for your help in the last couple days
I know I ask a lot of questions
But I am learning lots
That's almost as much fun as driving these awesome old cars!
Ps I will make it my mission to find one of those manuals!
Thanks again Greg
seventy2plus2 said
Jun 13, 2016
SGS Welding wrote:
I see it now too! Thanks so much for your help in the last couple days I know I ask a lot of questions But I am learning lots That's almost as much fun as driving these awesome old cars! Ps I will make it my mission to find one of those manuals! Thanks again Greg
I see the listing of that one is open to offers. In that condition it's not worth what he's asking, but maybe he'll take less.
67Poncho said
Jun 13, 2016
I have to say, I have never followed that way of installing front springs in these cars.... I instead, remove the spindle out of the way, remove the shock, the 2 strut arm bolts off the lower arm and drop the outside of the arm... I push the arm down with my foot and out pops the spring..
When installing, I lube the arm so the spring slides in easier... I install the top of the spring into place, use a small ratchet strap from the other lower arm to hold the spring that I am installing into place with tension, and then I give it the royal boot! (lol) Then I use a floor jack on the outer edge of the arm near the ball joint to raise into place...
Just did the fronts in my 454 '70 Wagon with ease of results...
-- Edited by 67Poncho on Monday 13th of June 2016 02:37:09 PM
I found a manual!!
Your right it's like gold!!
And I finally figured out how to get the spring in!
After doing it wrong every way possible I finally got it!!!!!!!!!
The other side will be a piece of cake now!!!!!
Thanks again for your help!
Greg
The springs will only go in one way.
Do you have a service manual? It shows the tool that is required (which you can make out of flat steel bar stock) to compress the spring. It inserts through the hole where the shock mounts, and you use a jack to lift the tool to lift the inner side of the lower control arm. If you don't have a service manual, I can maybe take a photo of the page and post it.
Please see attached photo's from my 1970 Chassis Shop Manual (1967 front suspension is the same). It indicates to have the front sway bar and the strut rod detached from the lower control arm. With them removed it's much easier to move the lower control arm around.
-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Sunday 12th of June 2016 11:33:38 PM
A word of advice, get yourself a 1967 Canadian Pontiac Chassis Shop Manual (otherwise known as a Factory Service Manual), should be available at local swap meets. An Impala one will be close, but if you're going to get one you may as well get the right one. It'll cost you $50-60, but is worth its weight in gold.
Here's one in poor condition, but it's good for a shop copy:
www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Pontiac-Acadian-Beaumont-Chassis-Shop-Manual-DAMAGED-STAINED-FACTORY-OEM-67-/401133434815?hash=item5d656a77bf:g:Kk8AAOSwu4BVoUFC&vxp=mtr
When it says "Pontiac" it means it's covering full size cars (B-body's).
No, that would limit the ability to jack the control arm into place. I suspect the jack stand in the photo is on the frame behind the front wheel.
I see the listing of that one is open to offers. In that condition it's not worth what he's asking, but maybe he'll take less.
I have to say, I have never followed that way of installing front springs in these cars.... I instead, remove the spindle out of the way, remove the shock, the 2 strut arm bolts off the lower arm and drop the outside of the arm... I push the arm down with my foot and out pops the spring..
When installing, I lube the arm so the spring slides in easier... I install the top of the spring into place, use a small ratchet strap from the other lower arm to hold the spring that I am installing into place with tension, and then I give it the royal boot! (lol) Then I use a floor jack on the outer edge of the arm near the ball joint to raise into place...
Just did the fronts in my 454 '70 Wagon with ease of results...
-- Edited by 67Poncho on Monday 13th of June 2016 02:37:09 PM