Moog K5227 for 13/16" bar - readily available, Moog K8258 for 15/16" bar - difficult to find, but occasionally pop up on eBay.
This answer was given on another post
Hopefully you have the smaller bar the parts are easy to find
If you have the larger bar start watching E-Bay for NOS parts??
Easiest way to measure the bar is with an open end wrench
Missu said
April 25th
I'm sorry I didn't explain properly he was after the D Bushes that attach to the sway bar
Thank you for your reply :) My fault :( I'm not good with this stuff
4SPEED427 said
April 25th
Missu wrote:
I'm sorry I didn't explain properly he was after the D Bushes that attach to the sway bar
Thank you for your reply :) My fault :( I'm not good with this stuff
No worries, you did a great job and SGS has listed the bushings you likely need (13/16"). On the Canadian cars the 15/16" bar is very uncommon and I will assume that's likely the same on the Australian Pontiacs as well. Just measure the bar using an open end wrench as he mentioned to be sure.
Feel free to ask questions, that's what this site is for!
OURWAGON said
April 25th
SGS Welding wrote:
Moog K5227 for 13/16" bar - readily available, Moog K8258 for 15/16" bar - difficult to find, but occasionally pop up on eBay.
This answer was given on another post
Hopefully you have the smaller bar the parts are easy to find
If you have the larger bar start watching E-Bay for NOS parts??
Easiest way to measure the bar is with an open end wrench
MY EARLY 60"S X FRAME USE K 5227
Missu said
April 27th
Thank you everyone for your help - we located the ones suggested by SGS from a Rare Spares place in Perth - I should have read your post properly, sorry!
Thank you again for your help, no doubt I will be back when he starts yelling and throwing spanners across the garage soon :)
Have a great weekend everyone x x x
oshawacliff said
April 28th
Karen
How refreshing to have a female newbie on the site. Our lingo may not jingle but we are willing to accommodate any of your requests. Let us know what his target usually is!.
Cliff
seventy2plus2 said
April 28th
Just an FYI, they're called "bushings".
Missu said
April 28th
oshawacliff wrote:
Karen
How refreshing to have a female newbie on the site. Our lingo may not jingle but we are willing to accommodate any of your requests. Let us know what his target usually is!.
Cliff
Cliff - that would be ME !!
Okay he has another question - Sundays he has too much time on his hands
Can anyone tell him why the Sway bar is touching the spring - Picture Attached
Its been like this since he got it and wants to know how to rectify
Well that's an interesting problem. Do you know what diameter the bar is? I wonder if it's not the right one for the car?
cdnpont said
April 28th
Possibly,
An aftermarket stabilizer bar of a different shape/length than stock. Is the bar stock?
Incorrect length Stabilizer links (too long) can move the bar end up and back. But your link looks normal.
Bowed spring. Looks fine here,
I suspect your strut rods have been adjusted down to their minimum length. This pulls the lower control arm forward, and can cause the bar to actually contact the spring.
In this image below you can see thread remaining on the Strut Rod (red), normal, which is probably where it would be if the factory alignment specs are followed.
If you try for maximum positive caster and bottom the nut down on the rod, the spring can contact the stabilizer. I've done that.
I would say it's the wrong bar. or maybe the wrong bushing kit. The middle metal spacer should be longer than the pictured one.
-- Edited by LT1Caddy on Sunday 28th of April 2024 10:06:07 AM
seventy2plus2 said
April 28th
Is it touching the spring only on one end of the away bar? What about the other end of the away bar?
I had the same problem of touching the spring, but the other end wasn't and the sway bar wasn't centered.
Missu said
April 29th
I suspect your strut rods have been adjusted down to their minimum length. This pulls the lower control arm forward, and can cause the bar to actually contact the spring.
In this image below you can see thread remaining on the Strut Rod (red), normal, which is probably where it would be if the factory alignment specs are followed.
If you try for maximum positive caster and bottom the nut down on the rod, the spring can contact the stabilizer. I've done that.
Grab a shot of your strut rod lower thread area.
Thank you for your reply
I have attached a photo as requested - can you see what you think the problem is, I appreciate your help
Is it touching the spring only on one end of the away bar? What about the other end of the away bar? I had the same problem of touching the spring, but the other end wasn't and the sway bar wasn't centered.
I asked him about this - the bar is touching spring only on one side, but the sway bar is definitely centered. He had 2 inchs either side, not touching. When he dropped the car back on the ground it was touching !!
Missu said
April 29th
4SPEED427 wrote:
Well that's an interesting problem. Do you know what diameter the bar is? I wonder if it's not the right one for the car?
Hi Speed - it is the right one, its been in the garage for the last 30 years, this problem he is trying to rectify and its bugging him
Thanks :)
cdnpont said
April 29th
LT1Caddy wrote:
I would say it's the wrong bar. or maybe the wrong bushing kit. The middle metal spacer should be longer than the pictured one.
Still good threads showing on the strut. So you're not pulled too far foreword.
I can see a new nut and bolt on the bushing bracket, which tells little. But to my eye, the bar does look plated like an Addco or aftermarket bar might be.
And the ends, (can't see real well here) look thick and squared off like the Addco. The standard or F41 bar has a forged link end with a distinctly thin and rounded shape usually with a parting as line seen here,
Enlarged, you can see the shape of your end,
I had put an Addco in a 69 project (seen below), and it's ends did actually come very close to the springs. The ends certainly look similar to your bar.
So like Bruce has mentioned, this all point to the bar perhaps being aftermarket?
Thank you so much for your extensive reply and photos
Seems like you have all nailed it - my Hubby called the guy he brought it from years ago and it seems like the Sway Bar WAS replaced and it is indeed an After Market Sway Bar !!!!
So here goes my next request / question :)
Is there any where in Canada he can get the proper Sway Bar, Brackets and D Bushes?? We have tried here in Australia but they are not the correct ones
If you can help that would be awesome and thank you ALL again for your help on this, it is very much appreciated
Karen x x x x
4SPEED427 said
12 days ago
I have an original 13/16" bar (the small one). I would sell it for $10 if you are interested.
The 15/16" bar is not very easy to find. I now a wrecking yard that may have a 15/16" but it's a few hours away and I won't likely get there until fall.
I hate to think what shipping will cost!
cdnpont said
12 days ago
I'd just try to find a stock or the 15/16 F41 bar where you live.
There are a few Australian members here. Perhaps they could help you track one down. There certainly is a good following for the 65-70 chev and pontiac there. There must be more than a few unused bars available there. You just have to find the fight person.
Make an "Australia, 65-70 front stabilizer wanted". You never know..
They do require one new hole be drilled right and left as the holes are not offset, but the potential to drill two new frame holes each side to move your bar forward might work.
I suspect your bar may by 1 1/8" or 28.5mm which you can buy the bushing for the Energy shell separately.
A third alternative would be to install the Energy bushings with one new hole per side, and dial the strut rods back until the bar end just clears the spring. You could also grind a wee tab off the contacting corner of that bar with no problem.
It was also mentioned here that perhaps a longer end link might could the bar up and off the spring.
I have an original 15/16" sway bar (blasted, primed & painted black) & new Moog K8258 bushings if you're interested. I'm in Calgary Canada, and I suspect shipping would be prohibitive.
-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Wednesday 1st of May 2024 10:45:12 PM
cdnpont said
11 days ago
I'm interested Clint...kidding.
hawkeye5766 said
11 days ago
Is the sway bar in upside down??? No pun intended.....
seventy2plus2 said
11 days ago
hawkeye5766 wrote:
Is the sway bar in upside down??? No pun intended.....
It won't go in upside down.
LT1Caddy said
10 days ago
I think it will.... The tip end should have a minor bend down to be in the correct way.
Hi
Just asking for help for hubby
He is chasing sway bar d bushes for a 66 Pontiac Parisienne
The Bracketts are off set - see picture attached and he cant get anything similar to fit.
Can anyone suggest what similar vehicle they were put on that would fit these
The closest he has come is an Impala 66 ss - can these be used? or has anyone got any better suggestions ?
Thank you guys
Karen xx
Moog K5227 for 13/16" bar - readily available,
Moog K8258 for 15/16" bar - difficult to find, but occasionally pop up on eBay.
This answer was given on another post
Hopefully you have the smaller bar the parts are easy to find
If you have the larger bar start watching E-Bay for NOS parts??
Easiest way to measure the bar is with an open end wrench
Thank you for your reply :) My fault :( I'm not good with this stuff
No worries, you did a great job and SGS has listed the bushings you likely need (13/16"). On the Canadian cars the 15/16" bar is very uncommon and I will assume that's likely the same on the Australian Pontiacs as well. Just measure the bar using an open end wrench as he mentioned to be sure.
Feel free to ask questions, that's what this site is for!
Thank you again for your help, no doubt I will be back when he starts yelling and throwing spanners across the garage soon :)
Have a great weekend everyone x x x
Karen
How refreshing to have a female newbie on the site. Our lingo may not jingle but we are willing to accommodate any of your requests. Let us know what his target usually is!.
Cliff
Cliff - that would be ME !!
Okay he has another question - Sundays he has too much time on his hands
Can anyone tell him why the Sway bar is touching the spring - Picture Attached
Its been like this since he got it and wants to know how to rectify
Thanks again
Karen x x x
Possibly,
An aftermarket stabilizer bar of a different shape/length than stock. Is the bar stock?
Incorrect length Stabilizer links (too long) can move the bar end up and back. But your link looks normal.
Bowed spring. Looks fine here,
I suspect your strut rods have been adjusted down to their minimum length. This pulls the lower control arm forward, and can cause the bar to actually contact the spring.
In this image below you can see thread remaining on the Strut Rod (red), normal, which is probably where it would be if the factory alignment specs are followed.
If you try for maximum positive caster and bottom the nut down on the rod, the spring can contact the stabilizer. I've done that.
Grab a shot of your strut rod lower thread area.
I would say it's the wrong bar. or maybe the wrong bushing kit. The middle metal spacer should be longer than the pictured one.
-- Edited by LT1Caddy on Sunday 28th of April 2024 10:06:07 AM
I had the same problem of touching the spring, but the other end wasn't and the sway bar wasn't centered.
I suspect your strut rods have been adjusted down to their minimum length. This pulls the lower control arm forward, and can cause the bar to actually contact the spring.
In this image below you can see thread remaining on the Strut Rod (red), normal, which is probably where it would be if the factory alignment specs are followed.
If you try for maximum positive caster and bottom the nut down on the rod, the spring can contact the stabilizer. I've done that.
Grab a shot of your strut rod lower thread area.
Thank you for your reply
I have attached a photo as requested - can you see what you think the problem is, I appreciate your help
Is it touching the spring only on one end of the away bar? What about the other end of the away bar?
I had the same problem of touching the spring, but the other end wasn't and the sway bar wasn't centered.
I asked him about this - the bar is touching spring only on one side, but the sway bar is definitely centered. He had 2 inchs either side, not touching. When he dropped the car back on the ground it was touching !!
Hi Speed - it is the right one, its been in the garage for the last 30 years, this problem he is trying to rectify and its bugging him
Thanks :)
Still good threads showing on the strut. So you're not pulled too far foreword.
I can see a new nut and bolt on the bushing bracket, which tells little. But to my eye, the bar does look plated like an Addco or aftermarket bar might be.
And the ends, (can't see real well here) look thick and squared off like the Addco. The standard or F41 bar has a forged link end with a distinctly thin and rounded shape usually with a parting as line seen here,
Enlarged, you can see the shape of your end,
I had put an Addco in a 69 project (seen below), and it's ends did actually come very close to the springs. The ends certainly look similar to your bar.
So like Bruce has mentioned, this all point to the bar perhaps being aftermarket?
Thank you so much for your extensive reply and photos
Seems like you have all nailed it - my Hubby called the guy he brought it from years ago and it seems like the Sway Bar WAS replaced and it is indeed an After Market Sway Bar !!!!
So here goes my next request / question :)
Is there any where in Canada he can get the proper Sway Bar, Brackets and D Bushes?? We have tried here in Australia but they are not the correct ones
If you can help that would be awesome and thank you ALL again for your help on this, it is very much appreciated
Karen x x x x
The 15/16" bar is not very easy to find. I now a wrecking yard that may have a 15/16" but it's a few hours away and I won't likely get there until fall.
I hate to think what shipping will cost!
I'd just try to find a stock or the 15/16 F41 bar where you live.
There are a few Australian members here. Perhaps they could help you track one down. There certainly is a good following for the 65-70 chev and pontiac there. There must be more than a few unused bars available there. You just have to find the fight person.
Make an "Australia, 65-70 front stabilizer wanted". You never know..
A alternative would be to buy a pair of Energy greaseable bushings with the brackets. The number linked to is for a 15/16 (23.8mm) bar.
They do require one new hole be drilled right and left as the holes are not offset, but the potential to drill two new frame holes each side to move your bar forward might work.
I suspect your bar may by 1 1/8" or 28.5mm which you can buy the bushing for the Energy shell separately.
A third alternative would be to install the Energy bushings with one new hole per side, and dial the strut rods back until the bar end just clears the spring. You could also grind a wee tab off the contacting corner of that bar with no problem.
It was also mentioned here that perhaps a longer end link might could the bar up and off the spring.
All kinds of lengths are available. In fact, it would be pretty easy to fab up your own.
I have an original 15/16" sway bar (blasted, primed & painted black) & new Moog K8258 bushings if you're interested.
I'm in Calgary Canada, and I suspect shipping would be prohibitive.
-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Wednesday 1st of May 2024 10:45:12 PM
I'm interested Clint...kidding.
It won't go in upside down.
I think it will.... The tip end should have a minor bend down to be in the correct way.