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Heater core problem 66 Beaumont


I took my 66 Beaumont to Hot August Nights in Reno,just got home and have got  water/antifreeze, dripping very slowly from the passenger front seat cowl area .Heater core I would guess. Does anyone have any experience with this? Do they make a aftermarket one and if so do you use chevelle or GTO, or Lemans?  Where is the best scource?Also how hard is it to replace? Other than this problem the Beaumont did very well,no other problems in 2000 miles,and picked up a sponsors choice award at the Central Oregon Classic  Chevy Clubs Flashback Cruz & Car Show in Bend Oregon . No Awards in Reno, but  there were 6000 cars registered, and there was a massive amount of interest in the Beaumont.

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Cool.

Use a 66 chevelle one.  Readily avail from the parts stores

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I had to do the same on mine in the middle of the rebuild I went to the parts store and a chevelle one WILL NOT FIT Even a gto wouldnt fit mine. I ended up taking the core up there and matching it up to one in the book I am sorry I cant remember what it was out of. I do still have my old one I can see if I can get a part # for you from my supplier Congrats on the award in Oregon

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That is wierd.  I have a bunch of chevelles and a bunch of beaumonts.  Heat boxes and cores are exactly the same.

The only difference i have found is that a US built 64 has a shorter core than all the canadian 64 ones.

Also, the fulsize belairs and impalas in 63 and 64 use the same cores too.

I bought a new core for my 67 a few years back (asked for a chevelle one).  Fit perfect.


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Just a thought. Make sure it isn't just a hose connection at the core (unlikely but possible) as I know at least a couple of guys who have pulled it apart to find the core didn't actually leak.

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Just wondering? if it was a hose connection would you not see it leaking  in the engine area where the hoses go through the firewall?  Or would you still have to take the cover off onthe inside of the car to see? If anyone has done this job , I would really like some step by step advice as to how to do it ,as I am not really mechanically savy. Thanks for any help  that may be available.                      Ted

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If the hose barb on the core happens to be slightly angled up, it can run inside from the connection. These ports on the core bend fairly easily. If you are removing the hoses, do NOT yank on them after you have the clamp off. Try to get in behind the end of the hose and run some kind of pick or something around between the hose and the pipe to loosen the hose.

This helps prevent damaging the core on the slight chance that it is still ok.

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My 66 Beaumont had a heater core that was NOT the same as Chevelle.  I had a radiator shop make one using the old one as a template.

I cost a bit more but fit correct.

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Hey Scott, thats a mighty fine lookin post car there !

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Scottw wrote:

My 66 Beaumont had a heater core that was NOT the same as Chevelle.  I had a radiator shop make one using the old one as a template.

I cost a bit more but fit correct.



I see you're new here Scott. Welcome here.

I think we'd like to see more of your car!

 



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It sounds like there were two different cores used on the '66 with no rhyme or reason why...

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Does anyone have the dimensions of the heater core for a 66 Beaumont?
The 66 Chevelle one I can buy is:
9.5" x 6-3/8" x 2.5"
5/8 inlet
3/4 outlet
$63.

I haven't pulled the one out of my car yet so I cannot compare.

After re-reading thus old post, I'm going to double check those hose connections before I start tearing things apart.

Thanks
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Interesting. The comment about Chevelle not fitting made me scratch my head a bit. I got out the parts book-

3022069 66 Chevelle (U.S.A. models)

3004815 66 Beaumont

3004815 66 Chevelle (Canadian models)

Also, 3004815 has a newer number. It changes up to 3021825.

I'm sorry but I don't have any specs on it as far as physical size.



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Thanks Carl - that's interesting!

There are a couple old threads describing new heater cores that don't fit - likely the US Chevelle vs Canadian Chevelle & Beaumont. Maybe we need more heat?

After checking my hoses, if I have to pull the core, I guess I'll either get it repaired/re-cored or take it in and see if we can find one that'll fit.

Unless someone has an old one on the shelf they could measure up?

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I'm just working on a 64 custom conv and have noticed a difference in heater cores, seems there is two different sizes of core boxes. one is 6.5x11x2.5 and the other that came with the car is 6.5x12.5x2.5. it would be easy enough to move the mountig plate inside the box to accomadate the larger core, sorry I couldn't find any numbers on the different size cores.

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After further research and striping of cars since this thread started

Looks like all canadian chevelles and beaumont from 64-66 use the larger core.

the 1967s all use  the smaller core,  must have been a cost saving thing starting in 67.   You will need to match the box and core for a proper fit,  but you can easily swap from the larger to the smaller or viseversa, on all years.



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66 Beau wrote:

Does anyone have the dimensions of the heater core for a 66 Beaumont?
The 66 Chevelle one I can buy is:
9.5" x 6-3/8" x 2.5"
5/8 inlet
3/4 outlet
$63.

I haven't pulled the one out of my car yet so I cannot compare.

After re-reading thus old post, I'm going to double check those hose connections before I start tearing things apart.

Thanks
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 The one that I used as a replacement fit great. it came from Lordco, and the number on thepacking box is  94533 made by Spectra Premium? (Mexican made). my old core that I kept measures 11 by 6 3/8 By 2 1/2. I wouldactually recommend that it might be a better idea to rebuild the original, although I have not had a problem  with the new one.



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The following is a post by 66Beau that was in another thread. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ My heater core started leaking awhile ago and I by-passed it. Finally got around to pulling it apart. I pulled the inner fender out and got lucky. The only bolt that gave me problem was one of the front ones where the nut is spot welded to the top of the inner fender (under the battery). I will be able to spot weld it back on prior to re-assembly. Pulling the inner fender was a lot easier than I expected and gives lots of room to access the heater box. I think I'll do some cleaning while it's apart.

The core is 10-15/16" long x 6-3/8" wide x 2-1/2" thick. Overall length with the cans on the ends (including the inlet/outlets) is 12-1/4". See attached sketch.

I called Lordco and they have a replacement one (P/N 94531) in stock ($66.04 + tax). BUT it is 9-1/2" long x 6-3/8" wide x 2-1/2" thick.

I asked to check on the one r66SD recommended (P/N 94533) and it is 10-3/4 inches x 6-3/8" wide x 2-1/2" thick - very close to the stock dimensions. The downside: they want $171 + tax for it... That's a long way from the $76.65 r66SD paid. The price increased by 231% in 4 years.

So I'm wondering, for $110, how exactly did people make the shorter one fit? If it ends up being a solid fit, I think I'll go with the cheaper one. I am certain I can put the extra $110 to good use. And considering how much the car gets driven in cold weather (zero) I think I could live with the smaller core, as long as I can get it to fit snug and not rattle or wear.

I haven't looked into re-coring the old one. I'm guessing re-coring will be more expensive than the $66, and I'd be worried about cracks around the inlet & outlet.

Let me know if anyone wants photos of how everything fits together. I will snap a few pix and upload them, but if someone wants a photo of something specific I can make sure to include the get the right angle.

So - short story: If you used the shorter core, how did you seal around the end, and have you had any problems? Heater Core 1966 Beaumont.jpg





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I moved the above info over from a different thread. It seemed to fit right in here.

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Thanks Carl (X2).

I just ordered one from Summit. It's the correct dimensions and I got the core, a seal kit and a new blower motor (while I've got everything apart). With shipping, exchange, taxes & duty it should all come to about $30 more than just the heater core from Lordco...

Indian - I don't think there is a radiator shop in town - closest one is about 60 miles away.

I'll still post pictures after I get the new core.

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I went thru the same problem with my full size, i think that canadian cars may have gotten the larger cores from the a/c equiped cars. Better heat for the prairie provinces ?

spectra premium 94539 made in mexico from brass/copper not aluminium.

fits chevelle skylark impala gm A and B bodies.



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pontiax wrote:

I went thru the same problem with my full size. I think that Canadian cars may have gotten the larger cores from the a/c equipped cars. Better heat for the prairie provinces ?

Spectra premium 94539 made in Mexico from brass/copper not aluminium.

Fits Chevelle Skylark Impala GM A and B bodies.


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A non-AC '64 Impala one ordered through NAPA was smaller than my stock non-AC '64 Parsienne one. I returned it, and found the proper sized Spectra one.



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According to the RockAuto website, the Spectra Premium 94539 is the same dimension as the smaller one I was quoted at Lordco: 9.5 x 6.372 x 2.5 inches.

http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=947030&cc=1322053

No guarantee that the dimensions on the website are correct, but these are the dimensions of the 66 Chevelle heater cores I found on numerous websites.. 

The one I ordered from Summit is larger: 10.75 x 6.375 x 2.5 inches.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PLI-399043

It isn't supposed to ship until Feb. 10, but when it arrives, I'll measure it up and post photos.  The description doesn't state whether it's aluminum or brass, but from the photo, it looks to be brass.

Oddly, the Summit website now says this one is unavailable.  Maybe that's why my shipping date is delayed...  The saga continues.

This should be simple.

 



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EDIT

For the archive - the heater core shown below DOES NOT fit.  In addition to L x W x T and the size of the inlet & outlet, it appears you also need to have the inlet & outlet in the correct location.  In the photo below, you may notice (I didn't) that the inlet & outlet are shifted to the right compared to the original.  I could enlarge the holes in the firewall, but prefer not.

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I received my parts today.
Here is the new heater core on the left (Summit number: PLI-399043, made by Vista Pro Ready Aire in Mexico) and the original heater core on the right:

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The new core is the same width (actually, a tiny bit wider at 6.5 inches whereas the original is 6.375").  They are both 2.5 inches thick.

The old core is just under 11 inches long (measuring just the core, not including the tanks).  The new one is 10.5 inches long.  

The replacement core listed on most websites and at Summit is 2.5 inches thick x 6.375 inches wide, but only 9.5 inches long.  The 10.5 inch one is much closer to the original.

Note:  It appears that I might have got the last one of these heater cores from Summit.  It's now listed as unavailable.

It appears that the one I got is from a Cadillac - see here:

http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/sku/Cadillac/Fleetwood/ProRad/Heater_Core/1970/Base/8_Cyl_7-dot-7L/APDI9010328.html 

 

One notable difference:  The inlet/outlet seem to be reversed.  Does anyone know why I can't connect the hoses upside down?  The description indicates that the inlet is 5/8" and outlet is 3/4" for both cores - their just located the wrong way around...

Probably better to have the outlet on the top, but does it matter?  Does anyone know if the heater core is installed upside down in the Caddy's? (meaning the hoses would come out from behind the right front tire instead of from behind the engine...).

 

As a bonus, I decided to replace the blower motor too while I had it all apart.  Ordered one from Summit while I was ordering. Here's a picture:

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The part number is FSS-35587 in case anyone is looking to get one.  Notice the 'bonus'?  

Made in Canada!

 

I'll post some pictures of how the heater core fits in the housing later.

Wes



-- Edited by 66 Beau on Wednesday 18th of February 2015 07:51:58 PM



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66 Beau wrote:

 

One notable difference:  The inlet/outlet seem to be reversed.  Does anyone know why I can't connect the hoses upside down?  The description indicates that the inlet is 5/8" and outlet is 3/4" for both cores - their just located the wrong way around...

Probably better to have the outlet on the top, but does it matter?  Does anyone know if the heater core is installed upside down in the Caddy's? (meaning the hoses would come out from behind the right front tire instead of from behind the engine...). 

 


 I do not think it would matter as long as the juice flows through it.



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