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Wide track vs. Impala chassis


Rather than totally derail the "New York Times"thread (yeah, I know, I'm usually the king of derailing....) I figured I'd ask the question in a new thread.

Are you guys saying there that you think the stock wheels from a late 60's Canadian Pontiac are different than the same era Impala? (to create the wide track look)

I would have guessed they are identical. I plan to check in the parts books to verify unless someone already has done that.

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It will be interesting to see what you find Carl.

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That is what I thought was done Carl. As you see the car is advertised as having a wider track. Either the wheels are wider or the offset is different or the chassis parts are different. Given the claim that there is more car between the wheels it would seem to me that offset was used do accomplish this. Will be interested in your findings as I never thought Canadian Pontiacs were wide trackers.


 



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I am not sure     but I would guess that the American cars may have used the 14 inch station wagon wheels    The 8 lug optional wheels were 15 inch and wider 



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The wider 6" wheels as a standard item on Canadian Pontiacs really came in for the 1968 model year.  Full-size Chevy & Cdn Poncho wagons were already using the wider wheels back to 1965 (I think). Wouldn't the wider wheel actually affect the offset slightly all by itself as a function of how offset is measured?



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The Canadian ads I've seen for the 1968 2+2 have all stated they were a wide-track for sure.............. That's about all I know. I'm interested in knowing what the chassis differences are now and when they designed the criteria for a "wide-track" car.

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One question before I state my findings-

Are we all in agreement that the frame (or complete rolling chassis for that matter) will interchange between same model year Canadian Pontiac and Chevrolet B bodies?

As far as the wheels go, I spent time in both parts book and with only one exception, the wheels listed for 66-70 b bodies are all the same numbers. The one exception is a Chev wheel listed. It's a 15X5 for 1st design 68 Chev and the number for it appears nowhere in the Pontiac book. However, about 12 other numbers are the same between both lines so I am sure we are safe in saying the "Wide Track" Canadian Pontiac is NOT a Wide Track.

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I found a Poncho ad that my limited computor skills will not allow me to post, but it states, Quote,   Pontiac rides on wide track for 1968. Wheels and tires are wider, set further apart so there's more car between the wheels. end Quote.   Kind of ambiguous don't you think? It's definately a Canadian ad as the powerplant spec'd is the 327 or the optional 396 or 427.  Wish I could figure out how to post the ad....damn.



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This wording in the ad is consistent with the 1969 wording as well.

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Cheviac wrote:

I found a Poncho ad that my limited computor skills will not allow me to post, but it states, Quote,   Pontiac rides on wide track for 1968. Wheels and tires are wider, set further apart so there's more car between the wheels. end Quote.   Kind of ambiguous don't you think? It's definately a Canadian ad as the powerplant spec'd is the 327 or the optional 396 or 427.  Wish I could figure out how to post the ad....damn.





I don't know how they can say that. We know for a fact that a 12 bolt from a 65 is identical to a 12 bolt from a 70 and all years in between.

Next thing is to find the tracking for the front wheel, maybe in a brochure?

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From another thread posted originally by Todd.

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I have a 66 Grande Parisienne and a 65 Catalina. The wheels are different, will have to take a closer look when I get new tires for the 66.
I know the bolt patterns are different for sure and the 65 wheels look wider. Not by much, by wider.

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Carl,  just tried to send you the ad but failed, I'm looking at the picture and can't mail it, so frustrating. I pulled it from an american pontiac website that pointed out that these are not american cars though they apear to be. Note the ad doesn't say the suspension is wide track, the WHEELS and TIRES are. To me that implies a wide track stance like the american cars but not really.  By the way....ever tried to put a 6 inch ralley on an american 66? The rear axle is so wide you have to unbolt the shock to drop the axle far enough to get the wheel on.



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So it says you won't find another car with a wider front track. They are saying they widened the front only? Seems odd.

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From what I could find on line  68 impala  front track 62.5  rear 62.4  68 Parisienne 63.5 front and 63.4 rear. Looks like and inch difference.                            



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I just don't get how the rear track can be any different when we know the housing and axles interchange from 65-70 Pontiac and Chevy.

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Look at the 69 brochure. Just about every page says wide track.   Also shows track as 63.5 and 63.4.   Maybe just wider tires alround.



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In the '68 Brochure it states: 63.5" front tread (a wider tread for the Wide-Track ride). Also states: low-profile 8.25x14" tires - 63.4 rear tread. And 14x6" Wide-Track safety rims. So must be all in the rims and tires. I scanned the page but Brochure is larger than my scanner.

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last one in picture says says 'wider track for "wide track ride" def. trying to copy the US wide track selling point. I'd say the "offset" on the wheel is where they are getting the 1"

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dualquadpete wrote:

last I'd say the "offset" on the wheel is where they are getting the 1"


 This is what I always thought to be true and in reading the copy it all dicusses wheels and wider tires for that Wide Track ride.



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Chevy should have been promoting their Wide Track Biscayne as well it seems!

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"Wide Track" and associated wording was more than likely trademarked by Pontiac.



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I think I'm one of the few on here that 'actually" has & enjoys the "REAL" wide track that Pontiac US promoted since 1959!! If you put this " so called" Cdn. wide track side by side with it's American cousin I'll bet the diff. would stand out, maybe not as much as earlier Ponchos & Chevy's that look like they are going to fall over, the wheels are in so far on 1/4 panels!! If you've ever followed a US "Wide Tracker" you know what I'm talking about.

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No question Pete, I can spot a US Pontiac from 50 yards away. There was a 62 Grand Prix at Autofest with the 8 lug wheels and that pretty much defines the wide track look. The GP was lower and appeared wider not to mention longer than a comparable Canadian car like a Parisienne.

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This is fro the 68 U.S. brochure and looks like our Canadian pontiacs for 68 have a 1/2 in. wider track in the front than the U.s versions.  But about 1/2 in. smaller in the rear.

 

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