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Another 70 B-body in the stable, this time a Parisienne 2 dr hardtop


Now that the car is on the new chassis and I've got the column, shifter hump, pedals and carpet installed, it's time to disassemble the old chassis and salvage what I could.  For those wondering how rusty the old chassis was, here's a couple shots.   Driver side first which was bad, then passenger side which was almost non existent.

 



-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Tuesday 7th of October 2014 10:36:02 PM

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Amazing how bad that frame is considering how clean the rest of the car looks. Looking good with that nice clean chassis. Inspiring work!



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This is the worst one I've seen in for almost as long I've been alive!! (lol) The transmission cross member, even though not attached to the left rail at the time, was still up in the air! Not now... This one was from Edmonton although it's travels in between there and Prince Albert, SK remain unknown..

PA '70 2+2 Frame.JPG

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I haven't posted anything in a while, and the work has slowed down a bit as well.  

The latest project was to ensure the Hurst shifter would work in the existing hole.  The proper 68/69 hump was purchased a number of years ago, and installed.  Once I put the transmission in with mockup engine block, I found the shifter hit the drivers side of the hump opening.  I trimmed that, and made a plate to hold the carpet down for the stock opening, so it needed to be trimmed as well.   I then figured out where the Hurst shifter boot needed to go, and used the plate to cover part of the opening.    I've pulled the plate off to paint it black, then it will be screwed to the floor.  You can see an inch of so of it on the passenger side, but once it's painted black it'll blend in better.

In the photo you can see the clutch pedal installed, as well as the brake pedal with the disc brake emblem.

 



-- Edited by seventy2plus2 on Thursday 18th of December 2014 10:00:45 PM

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As mentioned earlier, this will be a heater delete car.   Try finding the proper delete plates for these cars, they're rare as hen's teeth.  The seller indicated he got them from a Hawaiian car.  Shown is the large plate for the heater core, there's also a round one that covers where the fan motor goes, it's hidden by the fender.

 

 



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Clint, don't know about GM cars,but when I was on the line at Chrysler in 1972-73 almost of the Darts and Valiants going to California were heater delete,

I remember while working on the steering column,looking under the dash and seeing this large void underneath and thinking it would almost be  large enough

for a person to hide under there....wonder if that was tried in coming back from Mexico?



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That is interesting Clint with your heater delete. I can't recall ever seeing one before. Looking good. It is funny as these cars are basically summer drivers but I am surprised when I think back of how much of the time I have my heater on. I guess I would just have to be wearing long pants and a long sleeve shirt a little more often.

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That is interesting Clint with your heater delete. I can't recall ever seeing one before. Looking good. It is funny as these cars are basically summer drivers but I am surprised when I think back of how much of the time I have my heater on. I guess I would just have to be wearing long pants and a long sleeve shirt a little more often.


There were dimples in the firewall where the round fan cover went, but no dimples for the heater core cover.  It took some trial and error to figure exactly where to put it as it needed to cover all the holes.



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I like the delete idea.

I have the factory patterns ('64 Impala) to make heater delete plates for my car. If I ever do it (I doubt I will) I'll use sheet aluminum, and paint it black.



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I'm surprised that you could even get a heater delete in these cars. I believe that by 1968 a heater / defroster was mandatory in Canada and the U.S. (maybe just the mainland). I mean even the L88 Corvettes came with heaters by 1968. Mom's stripped 1971 base Beetle ($1800 special) came with a gas-fired heater.

The car is coming along and looks super nice!



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I finally got around to installing a heater control delete plate.  The woodgrain on the dash has discolored over time, and the heater delete plate is actually the proper color, and matches the woodgrain of the dash insert on the drivers side.

Here's a photo, starting from the top:   clock delete plate, heater control delete plate, clock radio delete plate.    For tunes, I'll be using a period correct aftermarket underdash FM receiver.

 



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Looking great Clint, remind me...you intend to place a 454 big block in the engine bay correct?



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Looking great Clint, remind me...you intend to place a 454 big block in the engine bay correct?


 That's right Ray, 1970 LS6 to go in the engine bay to mate to the M20 4 speed.



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What rear axle ratio do you have in mind and what 1/4 mile time are you shooting for? You got a lot of power and torque with that LS6 to harness.



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What rear axle ratio do you have in mind and what 1/4 mile time are you shooting for? You got a lot of power and torque with that LS6 to harness.


I'm using the 12 bolt differential that was in the 69 2+2 hardtop I got the chassis from, if I recall it's 3.08:1 gears (non-posi).  No idea what 1/4 mile time it will turn, but I'm pretty sure it'll still be able to bury the speedo. 



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Love the 4 speed shifter   They have the nicest location on the flat hump section    

great work    

and I love 3:08 non posi      

Just pull til speed is buried in 3rd, and then 4th and away you go  ;lol   (like on Star Trek, when Enterprise goes into Warp Drive)

 

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73SC wrote:

What rear axle ratio do you have in mind and what 1/4 mile time are you shooting for? You got a lot of power and torque with that LS6 to harness.


I'm using the 12 bolt differential that was in the 69 2+2 hardtop I got the chassis from, if I recall it's 3.08:1 gears (non-posi).  No idea what 1/4 mile time it will turn, but I'm pretty sure it'll still be able to bury the speedo. 


 I'd say 130 mph with that rear end ratio. 



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seventy2plus2 wrote:
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What rear axle ratio do you have in mind and what 1/4 mile time are you shooting for? You got a lot of power and torque with that LS6 to harness.


I'm using the 12 bolt differential that was in the 69 2+2 hardtop I got the chassis from, if I recall it's 3.08:1 gears (non-posi).  No idea what 1/4 mile time it will turn, but I'm pretty sure it'll still be able to bury the speedo. 


 I'd say 130 mph with that rear end ratio. 


I'm going to have to crawl under again and get the diff code for the ratio.  I know I counted the teeth and verified the code was right, but can't remember where I wrote it down.



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Chalkmark on the driveshaft, and one on the tire. Rotate the tire once and count the revs on the shaft. Should be just a little more than 3 for 3:08! :)

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350 turbo trans...  probably 2:73   



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 I'd say 130 mph with that rear end ratio. 


 Just got 200kph with my '70 with the 454efi, 5-speed and 3:08... She would do no more....



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If Clint has 2.73 the the car will be good to 140 MPH

BTW 200kph =124 MPH



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427carl wrote:

350 turbo trans...  probably 2:73   


It wasn't 2.73's as that's what I expected to see, I'm pretty sure 3.08's.  I know the code matched the ratio that I counted, I just need to verify the code.  Might be a project for later this afternoon.



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From http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t22305887/58-70-full-size-production-numbers/forum.spark?forumID=118110&p=3&topicID=24364528

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seventy2plus2 wrote:
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350 turbo trans...  probably 2:73   


It wasn't 2.73's as that's what I expected to see, I'm pretty sure 3.08's.  I know the code matched the ratio that I counted, I just need to verify the code.  Might be a project for later this afternoon.


 I double checked, it's got 3.07 gears.   I think someone corrected us before that 10 bolts are 3.08's, and 12 bolts are 3.07's.



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