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Was just looking up some parts on the Moog website They show an offset shaft kit Part # MOOG-K6104 Provides additional camber adjustment Is this something that is necessary?? Or a band aid fix? Thanks for the help guys Greg

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Depends on if you have proper camber or not, easy to check with a carpenters level against each front tire.

Often these cars needed the front crossmember "desagged" to achieve correct camber but not many shops do this any more so the kit can help in this case.

The main thing is to have positive caster for stable highway steering but most alignment specs call for very little positive caster, sometimes even negative, on these 1965-1970 B body cars.

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Ok Randy thanks for the reply That explains why my car eats the outer edges of both front tires. This kit would likely Be good for me.

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You seem to know these cars inside out! Your advice always makes sense!! Thanks again Greg

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Outer edges might be toe??

If camber hasn't enough adjustment, a camber kit can compensate. Check with a long carpenters level, the tire should essentially stand straight up with the bubble in the middle.

Caster is adjusted by the strut rods, ask JC, his steers wonderful after a high caster home alignment!!!

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You seem to know these cars inside out! Your advice always makes sense!! Thanks again Greg


Appreciate the kind words Greg!!! 

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I spent the money for the same Moog K6104 kits when I redid the chassis for my 70 Parisienne.   I really don't think I needed to though as the camber adjustment is done on the lower control arms, with the large concentrics.  I wouldn't bother with the extra money, just clean up the shafts you have and use them.



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outer edge tire wear is most likely too much toe-in...



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I spent the money for the same Moog K6104 kits when I redid the chassis for my 70 Parisienne.   I really don't think I needed to though as the camber adjustment is done on the lower control arms, with the large concentrics.  I wouldn't bother with the extra money, just clean up the shafts you have and use them.


Right you are, camber is normally adjusted by the lower control arm eccentrics. If the crossmember is sagged and there isn't enough adjustment the kit can compensate for this by offsetting the upper arm.

 

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If a fella stands in front of my car and looks at it head on The front tires are angled like a v Hope that makes sense My cooper Cobras got 6000km and are now down into the gum part of the tire ( there screwed) Bought Bf Goodrich this time but want this alignment figured out before I put any miles on them And yes I had an alignment done when the coopers were new but obviously something is not right.

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ask for John Sinclair at  Huron Tire in Clinton  best alignment man around    do not go to Exeter tire shop    CLINTON   519-482-3752



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That's good to know! Thanks Carl I've always heard Exeter Chrysler was great as well?? Your thoughts?

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That's good to know! Thanks Carl I've always heard Exeter Chrysler was great as well?? Your thoughts?


         Yes   when I was at the tire shop, we sent everything over there      

          John in Clinton can do a custom alignment   to take in considrerations of old car    

          He did my Strato Chief and my Ventura II and my 66 Grande Parisienne



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Btw the "Carls" always give great advice too!!

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My 67 developed the same issue when the lower ball joints were replaced and required the offset in the upper to correct. I had extreme tire wear, as you do. I have had it looked at 2 reputable "classic car" shops for alignment. It only eats tires every season and a half now. Compared to what it was doing i am fairly happy with it and am only slightly adjusting the toe to try find zero. This problem always has simple answers but it never translated to a easy fix, heh.

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My 67 developed the same issue when the lower ball joints were replaced and required the offset in the upper to correct. I had extreme tire wear, as you do. I have had it looked at 2 reputable "classic car" shops for alignment. It only eats tires every season and a half now. Compared to what it was doing i am fairly happy with it and am only slightly adjusting the toe to try find zero. This problem always has simple answers but it never translated to a easy fix, heh.


 Your post reminds me of my 1967 Strato Chief that I had a few years ago.

I rebuilt the front end using jobber parts and it aligned perfectly but didn't always steer as expected.

Later when changing front tires the tire guy mentioned my lower ball joints were loose??

I checked them later and they were tight so I mentioned this to an alignment friend.

He confirmed he has seen this issue with jobber ball joints on the 1965-1970 B body cars, sometimes check tight, sometimes not??

Checked mine a few more times and sometimes they were loose, but not always???

His solution was G.M or Moog ball joints so I went with Moog and it was perfect.

These cars do have a goofy front end design but shouldn't wear tires unevenly and should steer perfectly, especially with positive caster.

I'm not sure how a ball joint can be loose then tight but it might be something to consider on your car especially if you had issues after replacing the ball joints.

 

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Well I finally have the car in the alignment shop. Many problems according to the phonecall I just received. Sounds fixable with a few new parts. Sounds like the rear axle is tweaked a little?? Previous owner was hard on the car Maybe it slid into a ditch hard??? More details when I get them.

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The shop did say my thrust angle was off He then told me my rear axle was bent I'm kinda thinking maybe the bushings are worn or a trailing arm might be bent??? They seem to think I should leave it alone and just dial in the front??? Does this make sense??

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The shop did say my thrust angle was off He then told me my rear axle was bent I'm kinda thinking maybe the bushings are worn or a trailing arm might be bent??? They seem to think I should leave it alone and just dial in the front??? Does this make sense??


          replace the rear bushings   that will bring it closer... and find a good alignment shop :(



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After the boys at the alignment shop figured out the camber adjustment was done on the frame side of the lower control arm things progressed along very nicely! Once I picked it up it drove very nice!

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More details to follow turns out the alignment was a dismal failure.

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