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1959 261 Laurentian Clutch


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Where can one get a clutch kit for 1959 261 Laurentian?

Service manual diameter spec'd at 9 1/2"

Been all over Rock Auto, under Chevrolet car / truck, GMC, and see nothing. They list 10 1/2" and 11" diameters...

 

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Have you got your old one out yet? It should have the large 168 tooth flywheel?

I'd guess the 10 1/2 clutch and pressure plate would bolt on, I doubt the 6 had a different flywheel or bell housing than the V8 so it should fit. With the inspection cover removed, can you get a casting number off the flywheel? I used a flywheel and bell from a 58 348 when I converted my 283 powerglide to a 4 speed. Outside diameter is only 1/2 inch bigger on each side, so should be room.

I'm not knowledgeable on the 6's.

Don

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I'm going by the 1959 Chevrolet info, but it appears that all engines came with the 168 tooth flywheel that year. Clutches were 9˝" standard with the six and an 11" was an option on the inline six. 283s used 10" clutches while the 348s used a 10˝ clutch. Six damper springs on inline sixes with either the standard or HD clutch. The V8s almost always used 12 damper springs that year.



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Many thanks gents. Car on the way so haven't torn in to it. Being a little proactive/anxious. Will add more info once I've gotten in to it.

Service manual shows disc diameter as: 261 / 283 / 348 - 9.5" / 10" / 10.5"

 

Again, thank you.

 

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Some pictures of clutch. Pressure plate bad - fingers stuck down in one area. Not been able to find a kit yet. 

Appreciate any ideas. Thanks. RGM

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Do you have a NAPA close to you? They should easily be able to get you one.

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Thank you Carl, bit pricey but I think this is it

 

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Yeah that does seem high. When I get a chance I'll look into who else offers one.

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What size is your flywheel? Post a pic of the face of it.

I still think the stock 10 or 10.5 clutch will bolt right in. Pick one up for a 283 from Napa or Canadian Tire, return it if I'm wrong. Likely $100-200 for a "kit".


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Boy, it sure looks like a 10.4" would be tight on there.

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Looks to me on your bottom picture like that flywheel would dress out to 10.4? It may have been factory surfaced to take the 9.5 clutch, but has room for a bigger clutch? That outer ridge would machine off, take that pic to your machine shop?

My parts book shows a flywheel #3705409 for 1958-1962 261 (235 too) with std clutch, not HD. After 62, it was the 153 tooth, pre 62, 168 tooth.

A google search shows a reference for that flywheel that says- 1956-'65 cars and trucks with 10 or 10 1/2-inch clutch and 11 5/8-inch bolt pattern- Flywheel #3705409

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Many thanks gents. Interesting article supports what youve said. I think the next step is to confirm what flywheel I have.

 

Chevrolet Flywheels from Hemmings Motor News October, 2011 - Jim O'Clair Finding a flywheel to fit your Chevrolet in the mid-Fifties used to be simple: There were only two possible units from 1942-'53. One flywheel (#3705385) covered all 1937-'53 cars and trucks with a 9 1/8-inch clutch disc and a six-bolt mounting pattern; the other (#3705387) covered all 1942-'53 cars and trucks with a 10-inch clutch disc and nine-bolt pattern. Both used 139-tooth ring gears for the starter. After 1953, Chevrolet changed to 12-volt starters, and the number of teeth on the ring gear was changed, but there are still just a few different flywheels used (excluding Hydra-Matic and Powerglide automatics). Some of these flywheels were used on models from the mid-Fifties up into the Eighties. We have included some of the original casting numbers for easy reference. Flywheel #3704831 1954-'55 cars and trucks with 10-inch clutch Flywheel #373919 1958-'65 trucks with 13-inch clutch Flywheel #3739423 1956-'65 cars and trucks with 10 or 10 1/2-inch clutch and 11 5/8-inch bolt pattern Flywheel #3705409 1955-'62 cars and trucks with 10 1/2-inch clutch and 168-tooth ring gear Flywheels #3789730 and #3705410 1955-'62 cars and trucks with 11-inch clutch and 168-tooth ring gear Flywheels #3758595, 3714463 and 3789733 1955-'71 cars and 1955-'85 Chevy and GMC trucks with 11-inch clutch and 12 5/8-inch bolt pattern and a two-piece rear main seal. (1986 and newer flywheels are different because they used a one-piece rear main seal) 1969-'85 Blazer and Sprint 1966-'72 Chevelle 1966-'81 Corvette 1967-'70 Chevy II and Nova 1967-'74 Camaro and 1977-'81 Camaro (with Warner transmission) 1970-'72 Monte Carlo (except 400-cu.in. two-barrel) 1981 Firebird with 305 Chevy engine Flywheel #3971021 1964-'73 full-size Chevy cars and 1965-'73 trucks with 10- or 10.4-inch clutch and 153-tooth ring gear 1967-'85 Camaro 1964-'77 Chevelle 1965-'79 Chevy II and Nova 1965-'68 Corvette with 327 1978-'81 Malibu 1978-'79 Monte Carlo Also these other GM models with straight six-cylinder, V-6 or 262/305 V-8 Chevy engine: 1973-'75 Apollo 1968-'71 Buick Special 1972-'76 Ventura 1973-'76 Omega 1975-'79 Cutlass 1970-'76 and 1980-'85 Firebird 1965-'72 Tempest 1973-'80 Le Mans 1966-'71 F-85 Flywheels #3703870 and #3729004 Models with 11-inch clutch and 168-tooth ring gear 1969-'74 Blazer/Jimmy 1970-'81 Camaro 1970-'71 Impala 1965-'74 Trucks 1970-'75 Chevelle, Monte Carlo 1977-'78 Corvette (180 and 185hp) 1978-'81 Firebird with 305 engine 1978 El Camino 1971-'79 Nova 1977-'79 Omega and Phoenix with 305 engine Flywheel #3993827 1973-'90 Chevy and GMC Truck w/454 1970-'74 Chevelle and Corvette w/454 1971-'74 El Camino and Sprint w/454 Exceptions to the above listings are these few special flywheels that do not interchange with each other or any of the above: 1970-'71 Impala and Monte Carlo with 400-cu.in. two-barrel flywheel does not interchange with any other two-barrel listing 1967-'89 truck with 292 engine (different from all other six-cylinders) 1969 Corvette with a dual disc clutch Additional part number references are available in Volumes III and IV of the Hollander Interchange Manual or the 1929-'57 Chevrolet Master Parts and Accessories Catalog, available online at The Old Car Manual Project. This article originally appeared in the October, 2011 issue of Hemmings Motor News.



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Hello all,

Went with a LUK 04003, looked on rock auto under 59 Impala 283, it was the only one specd at 10

Bolted in fine, slightly larger lining just fit flywheel. All in all looks fine. Pressure plate made in South Africa, lining in Korea.

Wont know for sure until its all together, never did a clutch before... I think will be fine.

 

Many many thanks for help and advice. Merry Christmas, all the best for 18.

 

Robert



-- Edited by -Robert M- on Sunday 24th of December 2017 09:36:16 PM

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As long as it fit the flywheel ok and the pedal freeplay adjustment is correct I'm sure you'll be fine.

Merry Christmas to you too.

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Browsing Rock Auto in the (gasp) Chevy area for '59 and see a lot of 10.4" clutch options for the 235 I6...most are under a hundy for the clutch kit. Here is a Sach's clutch kit at 10.5"...$107

www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php

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I put a Sachs clutch kit in my 65 Canso when I did the 327 4 speed conversion. Fit fine, worked great but of course I sold the car 125 miles after doing all that work.

When I was pricing out a clutch from the same supplier for something else about a year later they didn't do Sachs any more. When I asked why, they said too many issues with that brand. I haven't heard back from the CP member who bought my car since a few months after he got it.

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I always heard Sachs was a good brand? Luk is what I usually look for though.

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I had thought so too, until my supplier told me they had far too many warranty issues with them.

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I do not know if you are still looking for a clutch but there has been an old NOS Borg Warner clutch and plate on Craigslist

Borg Warner part numbers 361468 & 382854. These will fit 1953 to1961 Chevrolet and Corvettes V8. Items are new.
Original parts. $150.00 Price is for both units.
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