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1969 Full size 396 & 427 production, how many were made?


As the subject heading asks. Does anyone have info on how many 396 and 427 cars were built? I can find that 10 2+2 convertibles came with a 427 but what about other applications. The VVS I got for my 69 396 2+2 only indicated that 1943 2+2 coupes were made but no power train break down.



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1969 2+2 was a 396

1969 2+2 427

1978 Chevy Short Box Step Side 4x4

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Hi my General Motors historical sheet states that of all 1966 Grande Parisienne's built in Oshawa only 56 were equipped with the L-36 390hp 427.

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I can confirm that my data shows 10 Convertibles as well in 1969 with 427. I did a bit of research on this back in 2009 for an article I wrote for POCI. 

I once read 14 427's in total but that is not confirmed. 



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14 total 69 427's?

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14 total sounds pretty conservative. Off the top of my head there was a 4 door hardtop discussed here, there is the members green convertible and the red one in Edmonton area that Dave is looking into. There was a white one that came up and sold in one night in Winnipeg a couple years ago. Then the blue rotted out one from Ontario. I think there was talk of a 427 wagon as well. There is a guy in manitoba with 427 Grand Parisienne without its heart. I also tracked one down in west Manitoba off of Carl S's lead that went to the crushers.

That's 8 that I can think of.

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1935 Chev 3 Window Std Coupe

1967 Mustang Convertible

1969 Firebird 350HO Convertible

1969 Camaro X11-V8

1969 GTO

1969 Parisienne

1969 2+2 was a 396

1969 2+2 427

1978 Chevy Short Box Step Side 4x4

1980 Harley FXWG

1986 CJ7 Jeep

 



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It can't be right for 69 427's total. And we have to remember there was also 2 different 427's in 69 Pontiac.

I know of a 4 dr ht near Regina, I've owned 2, a convert and a 4 dr ht.

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That 14 I read was for model #76837, still unconfirmed.

Old registry says Less than 400 with 427 which seems a lot because where are they? 

And Wilf has a GP 427 2dr. hardtop in Washago.




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because where are they?

Rumor has it a lot went missing near Morris MB.

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1935 Chev 3 Window Std Coupe

1967 Mustang Convertible

1969 Firebird 350HO Convertible

1969 Camaro X11-V8

1969 GTO

1969 Parisienne

1969 2+2 was a 396

1969 2+2 427

1978 Chevy Short Box Step Side 4x4

1980 Harley FXWG

1986 CJ7 Jeep

 



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Only 3 427 cars went missing in the Morris Triangle, and one was "just" a Chevy.

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dcneric wrote:

because where are they?

Rumor has it a lot went missing near Morris MB.


 I was going to suggest the Morris factor but thought I'd give him a pass today. 



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I believe that report meant "10- 14  " L36's ( 390 hp)  4 spd installed in 2+2 models  for 1969

There is the Gold 2+2 L36 4 spd in Ontario , and the Black L36 AT 2+2 convertible in Winnipeg  that I know of. I also know of a 4 dr Grande Parisienne L36 that was parted eventually  ( I had it stored at my place for a friend)  

 

attached is the GM letter sent regarding the Blue 2+2 (that ended up getting parted , with some parts going to restore the Gold 2+2 in Ontario). It states then that there were only  12 L36  4 spd 2+2 's in produced 1969.

So how many were AT's ? 



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And further to Howmac's info, I have a GM Doc clearly stating 13 of the 2+2 models built in 1967 with L36 and M20. That is the total of both hardtop and convertibles. So the numbers were pretty similar for the 2+2 models in 1967 and 1969. Of course there were still L36 TH400 2+2 models in each year, as well as L36 cars of either transmission in the other passenger car models. I have copies of some documents that also lump in the corresponding Chevrolet models in the totals. I've long thought that if we gathered all the available GM Canada documents for 427 cars we would be able to break down the models into precise numbers.

I also think these rare Ponchos may be poised to increase in popularity and value, simply because they are now in a position to be much more recognized that just a few years ago. The national impala association has recently opened up its doors to the full-size Canadian Pontiac models. So as Time goes on, I can see these cars of ours being promoted alongside their more popular Chevy brethren. And if enough collectors start to realize these are the rarest 427 cars ever made, I think it bodes well for the values of these cars in the years to come. Just my thoughts.

 

Thinking back to that black convertible that was just advertised at $150,000,  A few of us including myself were pretty sceptical of such a big number for the Canadian Pontiac.  But just for conversation sake, Canadian Ponchos aside-  what's the entry price for any other GM car  built as a convertible with a factory installed 427?  Or to take things further, a factory 427 4 speed convertible? Rarity doesn't always  translate directly into high value, but these are some very nice looking cars that are mechanically identical to 427 Impalas.  And our Canadian Ponchos are just that much more interesting! 



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I sent this to George a few weeks back:

George,

Is there any engine break down for the full size Pontiacs? Mostly interested in the 396 and 427 numbers. See attached VVS doc you did for me a few years ago on my 69 396 2+2.

Thanks,
Eric

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there is no meaningful interpretation as they are grouped with Chev and include all models with various options, best I can figure is around 6-700 with L66 in all full size pontiacs.

George Zapora
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So I didn't get anything on the 427's. When I request my VVS for the 427 car I'll ask for breakdowns if available.

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Eric - Regina, SK

The Projects:

1935 Chev 3 Window Std Coupe

1967 Mustang Convertible

1969 Firebird 350HO Convertible

1969 Camaro X11-V8

1969 GTO

1969 Parisienne

1969 2+2 was a 396

1969 2+2 427

1978 Chevy Short Box Step Side 4x4

1980 Harley FXWG

1986 CJ7 Jeep

 



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I am assuming he will only document the L36 427's when you ask. I'd be curious about the LS1's as well. I still have the cowl tag from my 69 LS1 Parisienne convert and I've never seen another one that I can recall.

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The 69, 2+2, that is in a dry barn near me is a 396 car.

Completely disassembled and not driven since 1976.

And yes,

it has haunted me.furious


Ever since I first saw it in 1985.



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