Is there any way to find the paint formula for a PPG color like that? I'm curious what pigments are used in it. Looks like a fair bit of black and a bit of blue.
If you're ever bored and want to take pictures of that dealer sales album's pages like you did the accessorizer I'm sure it's fascinating, even if only on the US side!
I do agree with carl, not a big fan of some of the 65 colours, white got three hate the color love the cars, not a big fan of burgundy got it too, we are caretakers get used to or tint it so its not so offensive.
I'm pretty sure it's going to be a dark blood red no matter what - I won't go further than that. I might just pick a swatch I find closer to the brochure and/or dealer catalog. So it might wind up matching the marketing more than anything. I like the Catalina in a the brochure. My first step will be to match that and see how different the formula is from actual Matador Red, then make some customization decisions.
Worst case we're talking about scuff and shooting for a color change. I can afford that indulgence, I figure.
Ideally I will wind up with a color that even people expecting Matador Red won't complain about.
For what it's worth Dave, way back when I was in the process of the stalled restoration on my 69 Matador red rag, I too never really liked that shade. It's nice enough I suppose, but it just lacked that little extra pop that I would have liked, probably just like you feel. So for at least 5 years or so I always kept my eye open for a shade of red on a conventional car the looked appealing. I found it in what I think was a 99 - 2006 Volkswagen beetle. I've seen two shades, one commonly seen that looks like crap, and the other less frequent which a deeper shade of red, not too blingy, that at the time I though looked absolutely perfect. Anytime I saw it I thought "There it is! That's the one"! I still see it from to time and still think the same thing. It's the perfect commonly available replacement for Matador red, and would look awesome on the big car. Of course, this is subjective, but I did spend a lot of time looking at shades back then. BTW; on the internet such as google images, looking pays no justice to the reds on those beetles. It has to be seen in person. Keep you eyes peeled, you'll know what I mean when you see it. Cheers.
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
Thanks! I've been driving around for six months looking at red vehicles and both the current Honda Accord and the VW Beetle have some rich dark reds. Is one of these two perhaps the one you liked? The top one is sort of a '60s color, the second one a more 'modern' color (to me).
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also be aware that the colours change with base clear as compared to the straight paints of old, I do love some of the new shades, enjoy and have fun with it
Here's kind of an interesting pic - note how much brighter the red on the door panel is where it was protected under the arm rest. And then that's my red garbage can in front of it, which is surprisingly close in color, and then some Matador Red I ordered to paint my steering column, which is sitting on the can.
Could it be a coincidence I posted the garbage can? Or did I do it so that you would all know that it was garbage can I stole my paint color from, thereby preventing myself from deviating from Matador Red lest you all call my car "garbage can red"! The brain is a tricky thing.
But in all seriousness I too like the garbage can, and that's kind of why I included it.
I was watching this show on a 1970 GTO and I really like the color. I guess it must be "Cardinal Red", which is a 1970 color. Was it used on the 1970 2+2 as well?
I assume it's actually a brighter red, and not just another name for Matador red? It looked nice, anyway:
I had a 70 Judge that was factory paint cardinal red, honestly it looked very close to Matador. In 1970 Matador red was an Oldsmobile color and it is listed with the same code as Cardinal red by some paint companies. As for 69 red GM interiors the Canadian Pontiacs and the A bodies are really two tone: seats, door panels and headliner etc are a bright red but the dash, steering column, rug and windshield surround etc are a darker almost burgundy company. Some higher end GM's in 69 (including Bonneville and GP had a Burgundy rather than red interior. Those cars had the same color dash etc as our cars but the whole interior was the darker of the two reds.
I had to make a judgment call on the interior colors and told Just Dashes to do the console in the same color as the dash, rather than the weird bright red it was in.
I have two dashes at Just Dashes as we speak. My 69 TA dash is being redone, funny thing is they don't know what blue it should be. You'd think that in 30 plus years they'd have done a few 69 GM cars with a blue dash. All blue dashes were the same color that year, even cheaper chevies and base model pontiacs that came with the lighter blue interior had the same darker blue dash.
Hmmm... I have a blue interior '69 Camaro and a blue interior '69 Laurentian. I'll have to compare!
That blue dash that was redone by someone, but I don't know who. It's not on their samples page, though they show a blue '70.
From memory, I think it's B13 Blue.
I've long suspected all my blue dash cars used the same low-gloss blue on the metal section, and that'd make sense if they were all the same color dash as well.
I ordered up some of each color and shot some glossy index cards. Here's 1969 vs 1970 Matador Red (or Matador vs Cardinal, if you prefer to call it that):
