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1977 Pontiac Lemans Safari Wagon


1977 Pontiac Lemans Safari Station Wagon, originally purchased from Empress Pontiac in Victoria B.C. This was my DD from 2013-2016. Factory Equipped with rare 400/4bbl, TH400, PS, PB, third row rear fold-down seat, roof rack. Upgraded with Detroit Speed 700lb front springs and solid front 1.25" sway bar with poly bushings, and Bilstein shocks all around, stock rear springs.  Note: Car comes with spare, solid, absolutely rust-free sheet metal from California that includes: 4 doors, 2 front fenders, 2 complete rear quarter panels purchased years ago from Frank's Pontiac Parts. Also comes with deluxe interior door panels and power window assemblies for all doors, plus some spare NOS door weatherstrip. Frame is solid but there is lower panel rust on all four corners. Car is a pleasure to drive and has been incredibly reliable, and can be driven away. Have too many projects and I need the space. $3500 obo.

778-977-2041 call or text

gmga73@yahoo.com.



-- Edited by Paladin on Sunday 29th of April 2018 02:16:48 PM

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That's impressive. By 1977 the 301 2bbl was the standard engine in Safari and the 400 4 bbl was the optional engine. No other Canadian sold  LeMans had the 400 option in '77, just the Safari.



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Looks like a nice car to work with.  My brother drove one of these almost across the country back in the 1980s.  Almost identical except it was light blue metallic outside and light blue inside.  Had the 3rd seat and the 400 as well.

I did have occasion to drive it a couple of times, really liked the car as it was comfortable and really felt planted to the road, but it was surprisingly low on power, even with the 400.

Also have to say it was a weird sensation sitting in the rear seat looking out the rear windshield at vehicles following you, hoping they would be able to stop in time if they had to...



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73SC wrote:

That's impressive. By 1977 the 301 2bbl was the standard engine in Safari and the 400 4 bbl was the optional engine. No other Canadian sold  LeMans had the 400 option in '77, just the Safari.


 That's a great bit of information. When my buddy saw the car for the first time he said that he recognized it.  As I recall, the story was that a company he worked for back in 77, order six identical Lemans wagons through Empress to be used as company cars.  The employees of the company were apparently thrilled that they would be supplied with new wagons for their daily calls. It was only when the vehicles were about to be delivered that the company owner advised the employees that they would be paying for the wagons! The news landed with a thud, and the company owner cancelled the order with Empress. I don't know if he lost his deposit or any more to the story, but apparently Empress managed to sell the wagons locally to private buyers.  As far as power, its not a RA IV, but it can still move out in good order and has that wonderful Poncho torque. 



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That would be a Great car to drive back to Ontario.

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CDN2PLS2 wrote:

That would be a Great car to drive back to Ontario.


 Definitely! So far I've only listed the car on CP as I'd really like to see it go to one of the subscribers here who know what it is and won't just destroy it. As mentioned, all of the dry, California sheetmetal comes with the car, most of which is bolt on.  I paid over $2200 USD just for the doors and quarters. I'm certainly open to offers as I want to see it go to a good home.  Let me know if you're interested. Thanks.



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I did have occasion to drive it a couple of times, really liked the car as it was comfortable and really felt planted to the road, but it was surprisingly low on power, even with the 400.

 

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By 1977 the net HP rating was 180 HP @ 3600 rpm with 325 ft-lb @ 1600.

It was a low revving engine but as I recall with those highway gears around 2.56 they were using back then seemed almost like an unlimited top end. 



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Ha ha... I should qualify my comments. I drove the wagon in 1983, the same time I had my '73 Lemans with stock 350 Chevy. I was expecting the 400 to have way more power than my 350 but was surprised when it felt a lot slower. So what you have is a teenager's impression from 35 years ago... Take it for what it's worth, which is not much... đ

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I recall my Dad test driving a 1977 Grand Prix with the 400, his trade in would have been a LeMans Sport 350 L48, like mine was originally. After driving it, He asked the salesman if he could order a V8 biggrin So your impression was right, the Chevy 350 was always a more sprightly engine especially in a lighter car. Fact is the 400 only had 5 HP more, torque was substantially more however, wagon a lot heavier.



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Paladin wrote:

1977 Pontiac Lemans Safari Station Wagon, originally purchased from Empress Pontiac in Victoria B.C. This was my DD from 2013-2016. Factory Equipped with rare 400/4bbl, TH400, PS, PB, third row rear fold-down seat, roof rack. Upgraded with Detroit Speed 700lb front springs and solid front 1.25" sway bar with poly bushings, and Bilstein shocks all around, stock rear springs.  Note: Car comes with spare, solid, absolutely rust-free sheet metal from California that includes: 4 doors, 2 front fenders, 2 complete rear quarter panels purchased years ago from Frank's Pontiac Parts. Also comes with deluxe interior door panels and power window assemblies for all doors, plus some spare NOS door weatherstrip. Frame is solid but there is lower panel rust on all four corners. Car is a pleasure to drive and has been incredibly reliable, and can be driven away. Have too many projects and I need the space. $3500 obo.

778-977-2041 call or text

gmga73@yahoo.com.

Price reduced to $2500. 

-- Edited by Paladin on Sunday 29th of April 2018 02:16:48 PM


 



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damn !!!!  biggrin



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which 400 is this, chevy or pontiac



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Insanely good deal on this package. Seriously. If I only had time and space.

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65wagon wrote:

which 400 is this, chevy or pontiac


 Pontiac.



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Veeeerrrryyyy.....................interesting. Hmmm hmm.



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73SC wrote:

I recall my Dad test driving a 1977 Grand Prix with the 400, his trade in would have been a LeMans Sport 350 L48, like mine was originally. After driving it, He asked the salesman if he could order a V8 biggrin So your impression was right, the Chevy 350 was always a more sprightly engine especially in a lighter car. Fact is the 400 only had 5 HP more, torque was substantially more however, wagon a lot heavier.


 around '85 or so I had a 74 LeMans with the 350 2 barrel and my buddy had a 75 Grand Prix with the 400 Pontiac. After losing to the Lemans more than once my buddy threw some money at it adding an Edelbrock intake, Holley 750, better cam, and long tube headers. That woke it up some, but the biggest problem was weight, a tight convertor, and terrible gears. At 70 mph if you nailed it it would move out hard...but trying to get it to launch faster than a steam ship was impossible.



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