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Nice Canadian built L36 / 4 speed 68 Biscayne on eBay


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Very cool, nice !

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Wow, what a unique car, yes.

Shame about the firewall colour....

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Or is that correct for 68? I have it in my head that it had to be 69.

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Carl Stevenson wrote:

Or is that correct for 68? I have it in my head that it had to be 69.


don't know about full size but 68 Nova was semi-gloss black - love that Teal Blue Metallic, think it was 68 only...

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And you are talking on a Canadian car?

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The Brandon car is back. I went and visited the gentleman close to me Carl with the CDN 17,000 mile 68 SS 427 and it had a black firewall as well.

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Carl Stevenson wrote:

And you are talking on a Canadian car?


 in 68 all Novas and Acadians were built at Willow Run which is why I said wasn't sure about firewall color on full size cars



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its a late build 68 maybe they switched over to black fire wall by then, My 70 Acadian built in the US on the Nova line has Black fire too.



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It is interesting to learn that the 67s built at Ste. Thérèse, Quebec were all destined for the U.S. Starting in 1966 models, all at Ste. Thérèse cars were painted with acrylic lacquer, just like the U.S.-built cars with black firewalls & spatter paint trunks. Meanwhile on Oshawa, cars were still being painted with acrylic enamel with body-coloured trunks & firewalls. I think Ste. Thérèse were sold in Canada through 1965, then they switched to lacquer for '66 & devoted production to the U.S. It wasn't until '68 that they started selling Ste. Thérèse cars in Canada again.
A "3" in front of the paint code on the trim tag would denoted a Ste. Thérèse build with lacquer paint, while a "9" would indicate an Oshawa car with enamel.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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The Brandon car is back. I went and visited the gentleman close to me Carl with the CDN 17,000 mile 68 SS 427 and it had a black firewall as well.


 Yup... the "Brandon"  car is back.... I first saw it in a small town ( Arden) near Neepawa. ( and with no powertrain and the left door and rear 1/4 was crushed ) . When I scuffed up the cowl tag to read it , i probably tweaked the owners knowledge of what he really had , as he suddenly changed his mind and would not sell the car to me . A year later he put in another 427 ( or 454) , and raised his price to $4K . His buddy in Brandon tried selling it for him ( for awhile)  . it eventually sold and went stateside for a resto , and suddenly it has the # matching engine?

 i initially thought the cowl tag was altered on the eBay restored car ( my error) , but digging up my old pictures on file ( attached ) it is clearly the same car  



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If you can find the pic of the cowl tag you have Howard. Curious to see it.

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This feature car Pontiac had a body colour firewall in 68. Early car maybe?

http://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t63797734/august-2017-feature-car/

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That feature car was built in Oshawa, seems like the 2 plants were possibly doing the firewalls different

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I checked some other feature cars that had black firewalls but most of the cars have been restored so a guy never knows.

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This one lived a few blocks from me. I've only seen it a few times, but it was very clean. Looks nice. Certainly going for a nice number!!

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Just so I understand, Howmac you are saying this is the car on eBay prior to restoration?

 



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Yes... it was advertised on Kijiji for $500 approx 10-12 years ago . I went to see it , and it was extremely rough . I cleaned up the cowl tag to show the M20 stamped on it and took the pictures ( which I have just attached ) . The 427 marker bezels were the red foil and seem to be original to the car . Real 4 spd hump , but extremely hacked up with enlarged opening .  Lots of body damage and no powertrain . I know a fellow who has been buying all the scrap cars in that area for 30 years , and he remembered the car , and he recalls it once sold for $50.00 !!! ( as scrap) .

Regardless , Once I showed interest at rthe selling price of $500 , the seller suddenly hesitated and decided not to sell , realizing that he had something rare . It then showed up a year later on Kijiji - Brandon  , this time with a used Big Block dropped in it  to boost up the price I guess  and a price of $4,000-$4,500 , but still rough with nothing else done to it . I offered to buy it without the big block ( as I already had a correct dated 427 for it ) , but he refused .  It took awhile , but it eventually sold to a fellow in the Wisconsin area ( who I heard has a history of creating # 's matching cars  . He obviously restored it , with a # matching powertrain ???.  It was then sold at Mecum ( about 6-7 years ago) in the $60K range . The buyer then put it on EBay to unload it ( buyers remorse?) , but it did not sell .  This was a few years ago , and now it looks like it is back on eBay again but the seller is a dealer . 

In hindsight , I deeply regret not paying the $4K the seller wanted , but I was overloaded at the time my 69 L72 Biscayne and 69 SS427 L72 projects , and wanted to keep my marriage intact .  The ironic thing .... I'm now working on a 68 Biscayne 2 dr post project right now ! ( when I could have had a real L36 M20 one !)   



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Just so I understand, Howmac you are saying this is the car on eBay prior to restoration?

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Yes it is .....a lot of $$$ went into it to get it to the condition it is today  



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When did the Ste. Therese plant come in to operation?

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Just wondering. Does this car have the correct steering wheel for '68? I've only seen ones with the same as my Parisienne. Or is this an optional wheel?

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That is the correct Biscayne and Bel Air wheel. Plainer base model version.

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The air cleaner on this car would be correct for a U.S. car with a std trans, Canadian big blocks for 1968 destined for Canada all had Thermac air cleaners exc. L72 cars.

 



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What are the chances that that engine/tranny is the original to that car? I guess having money you can do anything... Buyer beware though. Too bad

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What are the chances that that engine/tranny is the original to that car? I guess having money you can do anything... Buyer beware though. Too bad


 Prior to 1968 there was no serial # on the engine on Canadian cars, just the engine plant, assembly date, and engine code. What that means is on a Canadian pre-68, any of the same batch of engines with the same code & date would serve as numbers matching (whether we agree if it is ethical or not).

 

Also, the Thermac air cleaners were used on automatics with closed element air cleaners. Manuals in the U.S. & Canada, plus all open-element air cleaner equipped engines used the A.I.R. system (smog pump). The chrome embellishments (air cleaner lid & valve covers) were SS427 only (hence different engine codes for SS427 L36s). Looks good though.

It is funny in the auction they state that it was 1 of 25 L36s exported to Canada. The car was not exported to Canada, it was built in Canada. Unless they are referring to the engines being shipped from Tonawanda to either Ste. Thérèse or Oshawa to be dropped into a Canadian-built car.

 

Regardless of the pre-restoration condition of the car, I love it! Nice colour as well. It was a somewhat rare colour from what I remember over the years, at least where I hung out.



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