are these hard to find ( 67 GM ) and i wonder what type of riveting gun to use
4SPEED427 said
Mar 14, 2014
No, lots of places sell them. I wouldn't be surprised if our sponsor NOS has them.
So far anywhere I've read, there is no tool for it, you have to be a bit enterprising and make some sort of your own to install them.
seventy2plus2 said
Mar 14, 2014
If they're the rivets I'm thinking of, they're hollow. Guys have used a machine screw & nut to compress the rivet, then remove the screw & nut. Hole then gets filled with caulk.
65 SD L79 said
Mar 14, 2014
yes they do make a tool to put the rivets on. I will send the link to Carl to post. Newly made rivets have more of a shine to them because they dont have the lead content originals have
These instructions are for Trim Tag rivet installation only. There are two methods to install the rivets:
1) The easiest way is to merely epoxy the rivets in place (do not use super glue). Put a small amount of epoxy around the barrel part of the rivet and push the rivet through the trim tag into the firewall/cowl. Let the epoxy set and the tag will look like it was installed at the factory. No one can see behind the firewall/cowl to see that the rivet was not crushed against the back. As an extra precaution I would suggest putting a dab of the epoxy on the back of the trim tag.
2) We now offer a custom made rivet installation tool for an additional $17.00 when you order a new trim tag. This tool will ensure that the rivets are installed in precisely the same way the factory installed them at the plant. The appearance of the rivet from both the front and the back will be factory correct. Also, note that most trim tag rivets had Black Sealer/ Body Filler (caulk) pushed into the hollow part of the rivet after installation
norontcan said
Mar 14, 2014
Making it easier and easier to fool an unsuspecting buyer.
Remember the Chevelle(??) story on here a month or so back.
427carl said
Mar 14, 2014
norontcan wrote:
Making it easier and easier to fool an unsuspecting buyer. Remember the Chevelle(??) story on here a month or so back.
Not every car guy is a crook Makes it easy to put tags on correctly after paint
norontcan said
Mar 14, 2014
Thankfully there are not many crooks but we still have to be careful not to let our guard down.
I have 3 original paint cars and on all of them the cowl tag was put on before paint and then partially covered by a piece of about 2" wide tape haphazardly applied. meaning part of the tag is painted with cowl colour.
Pontiacanada said
Mar 15, 2014
norontcan wrote:
I have 3 original paint cars and on all of them the cowl tag was put on before paint and then partially covered by a piece of about 2" wide tape haphazardly applied. meaning part of the tag is painted with cowl colour.
Yep, they are actually quite messy looking ... that's the original way they were finished. When I see a perfectly clean trim tag, I always think something is sketchy.
65 SD L79 said
Mar 15, 2014
I would rather see a nice clean polished tag on a fresh painted cowl if the car has been restored. I going to do my home work on any car before I buy it no matter what the tag looks like
since 1983 said
Mar 19, 2014
well thank you all , another issue eventually taken care of ..........
c p is my note book concerning all those little details
butterNUT SD rag said
Mar 19, 2014
70 SS ACADIAN wrote:
I would rather see a nice clean polished tag on a fresh painted cowl if the car has been restored. I going to do my home work on any car before I buy it no matter what the tag looks like
I like to see a tag with patina that looks like its never been off the car, even if the rest of the car is impeccably restored.
68sd396rag said
Mar 19, 2014
So when you do your very first or maybe only restoration,frame off or what have you.You get that body all stripped and take it to the sandblaster to get everything off the metal before you start being sure to duct tape the cowl tag really really well so that it doesn't get blown off or disintegrated by the sandblaster.Being that you are a first timer attempting this you leave the blaster with the eager anticipation to see your project down to bare metal upon your return-most of us have been there.Upon your return you find that your car was certainly not as " solid as you had first thought" and guess what the cowl tag is completely gone! Now what the h*ll do you do? Here is where the cowl tag company with correct factory rivets becomes your new best friend that you just want to hug and hug and hug.Sh*t happens that we sometimes overlook or are too stupid to know better it isn't always that someone is trying to to fool someone.I remember asking a buddy a while back when I saw that 66 beaumont big block sport deluxe being restored on here( aztec bronze car-absolutely beautiful) why the guy did not mask off the cowl tag properly.Well I then learned that the original cars had that look of a have masked off cowl tag-my bad-learned something new.Either way I am very happy that this company exists just because of the possibility that stuff happens during restoration beyond our control.My 2 cents for what it is worth.
CdnGMfan said
Mar 19, 2014
I was always under the impression that being in possession of cowl tag rivets was treated the same as being in possession of burglary tools.
It makes sense though to be able to removed the trim tag for firewall restoration and put the original tag back on. The v.i.n. tag is another story.
Below is a picture of the way my Chevelle left the factory with an untouched if not slightly aged trim tag.
65 SD L79 said
Mar 20, 2014
I have a printed statement about tampering with the VIN tag being eligel how ever it also states it can be removed and reattached for the purpose of body repair or restoration. This was for Ontario. I will try to find it and post it here.
427carl said
Mar 20, 2014
I took the VIN tag off a 49 Chevy 3100 yesterday 2 screws hold it on
A few minutes with GooGone and WD40
and the previously painted over tag is like new and has the serial # proving its a 1949
I checked the engine s/b 216 cu in and its a 50-52 235 so now we can get correct carb
Will finish the interior and screw plate back on......
since 1983 said
Mar 21, 2014
CdnGMfan wrote:
I was always under the impression that being in possession of cowl tag rivets was treated the same as being in possession of burglary tools.
It makes sense though to be able to removed the trim tag for firewall restoration and put the original tag back on. The v.i.n. tag is another story.
Below is a picture of the way my Chevelle left the factory with an untouched if not slightly aged trim tag.
a tag with overspray looks like a repaint ?? logigcly speaking the fire wall is painted at the factory and then the tag is put in place
that s why i took mine off , , also it was holding only on one corner , the tag itself had a bit of patina in the holes making them slightly bigger the hold on with the rivets .
i would not fool arround with a v i n tag but a trim tag in my book should not be an issue if it is removed and repositioned in the same place .
68 427 said
Mar 21, 2014
since 1983 wrote:
CdnGMfan wrote:
I was always under the impression that being in possession of cowl tag rivets was treated the same as being in possession of burglary tools.
It makes sense though to be able to removed the trim tag for firewall restoration and put the original tag back on. The v.i.n. tag is another story.
Below is a picture of the way my Chevelle left the factory with an untouched if not slightly aged trim tag.
a tag with overspray looks like a repaint ?? logigcly speaking the fire wall is painted at the factory and then the tag is put in place
that s why i took mine off , ,
THE TAG IS ON THE CAR BEFORE THE CAR EVER SEE'S PAINT AT THE FACTORY. THE TAG IS ON THE CAR WHEN THE BODY IS BUILT, TO INDICATE ANY MODIFICATIONS THE BODY NEEDS FOR CERTAIN OPTIONS. SUCH AS A HOLE IN THE FLOOR FOR A 4 SPEED, OR MOUNTING HOLES FOR TRIM, ECT.
4SPEED427 said
Mar 21, 2014
Agreed, as ugly as it looks, that tag appears to be 100% factory installed. I have yet to see a neatly taped, unpainted, factory installed cowl tag. Some of them have more than 1/2 the tag painted over!
since 1983 said
Mar 21, 2014
i was convinced they painted the body before..............that s the way i would of done it
i love to learn!!!
65 SD L79 said
Mar 21, 2014
I cant say if I`ve seen a vin tag with paint over it so are they put on after?
are these hard to find ( 67 GM ) and i wonder what type of riveting gun to use
So far anywhere I've read, there is no tool for it, you have to be a bit enterprising and make some sort of your own to install them.
If they're the rivets I'm thinking of, they're hollow. Guys have used a machine screw & nut to compress the rivet, then remove the screw & nut. Hole then gets filled with caulk.
yes they do make a tool to put the rivets on. I will send the link to Carl to post. Newly made rivets have more of a shine to them because they dont have the lead content originals have
go to trimtags.com for rivets and tool
www.trimtags.com
thats cool nice to see them installed properly
These instructions are for Trim Tag rivet installation only. There are two methods to install the rivets:
1) The easiest way is to merely epoxy the rivets in place (do not use super glue). Put a small amount of epoxy around the barrel part of the rivet and push the rivet through the trim tag into the firewall/cowl. Let the epoxy set and the tag will look like it was installed at the factory. No one can see behind the firewall/cowl to see that the rivet was not crushed against the back. As an extra precaution I would suggest putting a dab of the epoxy on the back of the trim tag.
2) We now offer a custom made rivet installation tool for an additional $17.00 when you order a new trim tag. This tool will ensure that the rivets are installed in precisely the same way the factory installed them at the plant. The appearance of the rivet from both the front and the back will be factory correct. Also, note that most trim tag rivets had Black Sealer/ Body Filler (caulk) pushed into the hollow part of the rivet after installation
Remember the Chevelle(??) story on here a month or so back.
Not every car guy is a crook
Makes it easy to put tags on correctly after paint
I have 3 original paint cars and on all of them the cowl tag was put on before paint and then partially covered by a piece of about 2" wide tape haphazardly applied. meaning part of the tag is painted with cowl colour.
Yep, they are actually quite messy looking ... that's the original way they were finished. When I see a perfectly clean trim tag, I always think something is sketchy.
I would rather see a nice clean polished tag on a fresh painted cowl if the car has been restored. I going to do my home work on any car before I buy it no matter what the tag looks like
well thank you all , another issue eventually taken care of ..........
c p is my note book concerning all those little details
I like to see a tag with patina that looks like its never been off the car, even if the rest of the car is impeccably restored.
I was always under the impression that being in possession of cowl tag rivets was treated the same as being in possession of burglary tools.
It makes sense though to be able to removed the trim tag for firewall restoration and put the original tag back on. The v.i.n. tag is another story.
Below is a picture of the way my Chevelle left the factory with an untouched if not slightly aged trim tag.
I have a printed statement about tampering with the VIN tag being eligel how ever it also states it can be removed and reattached for the purpose of body repair or restoration. This was for Ontario. I will try to find it and post it here.
I took the VIN tag off a 49 Chevy 3100 yesterday 2 screws hold it on
A few minutes with GooGone and WD40
and the previously painted over tag is like new and has the serial # proving its a 1949
I checked the engine s/b 216 cu in and its a 50-52 235 so now we can get correct carb
Will finish the interior and screw plate back on......
a tag with overspray looks like a repaint ?? logigcly speaking the fire wall is painted at the factory and then the tag is put in place
that s why i took mine off , , also it was holding only on one corner , the tag itself had a bit of patina in the holes making them slightly bigger the hold on with the rivets .
i would not fool arround with a v i n tag but a trim tag in my book should not be an issue if it is removed and repositioned in the same place .
THE TAG IS ON THE CAR BEFORE THE CAR EVER SEE'S PAINT AT THE FACTORY. THE TAG IS ON THE CAR WHEN THE BODY IS BUILT, TO INDICATE ANY MODIFICATIONS THE BODY NEEDS FOR CERTAIN OPTIONS. SUCH AS A HOLE IN THE FLOOR FOR A 4 SPEED, OR MOUNTING HOLES FOR TRIM, ECT.
i love to learn!!!
I cant say if I`ve seen a vin tag with paint over it so are they put on after?
do you have any vin tag pictures?
Sorry my bad I forgot vin is on the door sill