So I'm just getting to work on my new to me 69 Hardtop and am having a few issues...
1) The passenger side of my hood is lifted about 1/3 inch when the hood is closed. Looking at the hood hinges there doesn't seem to be a lot of "adjustment" for up and down. I get how to adjust a hood so it spaces right off the quarters and the front end, but for this I have no idea. Is there some way of adjusting this back down or is the car in need of new hood hinges?
2) On another note, the drivers door closes (read "latches") just fine... except that once latched, the door still has about a 1/4 inch of movement. It rattles while you drive... awesome. Again, the male door pin on the frame doesn't seem like it has any adjustment, and the catch on the door appears to be in the same boat... I have new door pins and bushings for the hinges, but that is a totally different problem from what I can tell as that wont fix the catch problem.
The door latched and pushing in on it:
The door still latched and it sitting as far "out" as it will go:
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On a totally separate note... Anyone know what car this center console belongs to? It came with the car and is most certainly NOT for the car. Would be nice to sell it so I could buy one for the car.
-- Edited by Chrisw on Friday 30th of December 2016 08:07:56 PM
Awesome... Wrong forum. Could a Mod please move this to the 65-70's?
seventy2plus2 said
Dec 30, 2016
I'm not a body guy, but will take a stab at this:
1. Hood
I had a bad passenger side hood hinge on the 70 Parisienne I had 30 years ago. It sat proud of the fenders when closed. However, I could push it down to line up with the fenders. Can you push yours down, or is it sturdy where it is?
2. Door Pin
The pin that's attached to the body is adjustable. You can use a allen key to loosen it, there's a caged nut behind the door frame which can move around. Try loosening the door pin, and move it towards the center of the car, maybe 1/8" at a time. It's worth a try. Otherwise maybe the latch mechanism in the door is faulty. You can test the latch mechanism with the door open, just use a screwdriver to latch it. It should stay latched even if you poke around it with a screwdriver. Use the pushbutton or interior door lever to unlatch it.
gtodrive said
Dec 31, 2016
I had the same problem on the driver side of my hood. I could push down on the hood after it was closed and it lined up. I replaced both of the 40+ year old hinges and problem solved. The door issue looks like the door striker or door latch adjustment is needed. The console?...
Chrisw said
Dec 31, 2016
I can easily push down on the hood corner and it moves, but it obviously comes right back up when I take my hand off. I assume I can get away with just replacing the hood hinge springs right? No need to get the entire hinge...? OPGI seems to be a decently priced place online to get those parts. Any opinions or warnings about them before I try them out?
As for the door... I will try that adjustment. Crappy thing is that the previous owner pretty much stripped the all key slot on it. Might have to just weld on a nut, and buy a new one.
And then the console... Yeah. I have no idea what it belongs to. I posted on a few different forums and no one seems to know. I really don't want to throw out a good console, but without knowing what it is for... I cant really find it a new home. :S
hawkeye5766 said
Dec 31, 2016
Chrisw wrote:
I assume I can get away with just replacing the hood hinge springs right? No need to get the entire hinge...? Any opinions or warnings about them before I try them out?
I'd replace the whole hinge. Most likely the pin boss holes are worn oval. Open the hood and move up/down about 3" and see if the pivot points have slop in them.
seventy2plus2 said
Dec 31, 2016
Chrisw wrote:
Crappy thing is that the previous owner pretty much stripped the all key slot on it. Might have to just weld on a nut, and buy a new one.
Try putting a vice grip on the head of the door pin. It doesn't actually do anything critical, so if you put some teeth marks on it no huge deal. (try not to though) It really shouldn't be all that tight.
seventy2plus2 said
Dec 31, 2016
Chrisw wrote:
I can easily push down on the hood corner and it moves, but it obviously comes right back up when I take my hand off.
With bad springs it should just stay down when you take your hand off. I've never seen one spring back up.
jmont64 said
Dec 31, 2016
There is a simple solution for the hood problem. Been a few years and trying to remember the fix. Beaumontguru gave it on the forum here and it worked perfectly. If he doesn't pipe up I'll work the memory bank.
4SPEED427 said
Dec 31, 2016
Same thought I had, I know Dave posted the fix for that but I forget. Was it maybe slotting the hole in the hinge to get more adjustment?
seventy2plus2 said
Dec 31, 2016
It's a 69 hardtop what? Parisienne, Beaumont, etc?
Canadian Poncho said
Dec 31, 2016
I think it's a Beaumont so I moved this thread to the Beaumont Body Forum.
Chrisw said
Dec 31, 2016
Yeah, sorry. It is of course a Beaumont. Won't lie to you... not new to working on cars but I am certainly knew to muscle. And pontiacs. I hardly understand the model classifications.
oshawacliff said
Jan 1, 2017
Chris
I was having a similiar problem with my 67 Impala and sent the hood hinges off to the following company for rebuilding.
SMS AUTO RESTORATION SERVICES
32 Prudhomme St W
St Remi
Quebec, Canada
J0L 2L0
They have a US location as well. The Quebec location did mine and I am quite satisfied with the rebuild. Check their website for a more detailed explanation of their services.
Mine were done at least 6-10 years ago
US phone number 1-800-989-6660
Cliff
jmont64 said
Jan 1, 2017
Carl Stevenson wrote:
Same thought I had, I know Dave posted the fix for that but I forget. Was it maybe slotting the hole in the hinge to get more adjustment?
No slotting was required. It was around spring 2012 when it was shown here. I found a message then thanking him for the tip.
Beaumont4008 said
Jan 1, 2017
Was it loosen the hinges and lift the hood has high as it can go then tighten the hinge bolts down or some thing like that.
jmont64 said
Jan 1, 2017
Beaumont4008 wrote:
Was it loosen the hinges and lift the hood has high as it can go then tighten the hinge bolts down or some thing like that.
Yeah pretty sure that's it. Was going to say it but thought Dave may see this and give the info as before. Worked perfect for me. My hinges were still strong for holding up my hood but just needed that little push down always to flush it up.
Chrisw said
Jan 2, 2017
Beaumont4008 wrote:
Was it loosen the hinges and lift the hood has high as it can go then tighten the hinge bolts down or some thing like that.
I'll be honest in saying that I cant even fathom how that gets the hood DOWN. So you are saying that with the hood open, loosen the bolts that attach the hinge to the body, lift the hood up, tighten them at this high point, and that should drop the hood... ?
jmont64 said
Jan 2, 2017
Pretty sure that was it. Too bad Dave hasn't seen this. You may well be surprised. Maybe one of the Winnipeg guys can get in touch with Dave and confirm.
beaumontguru said
Jan 2, 2017
Put a shim between the hood and the hinge. at the front bolt, not the rear as you might think
i hope i explained that OK.
I will put in another way
the hinge bolts to the hood with 2 bolts loosen the front ones,lift the hood off the front of the hinge, stick a shim (or 2), retighten, and lower the hood, now the rearmost part of the hood should sit lower.
Usually works!!
Chrisw said
Jan 2, 2017
Oh, ok. That makes a bit more sense. Thanks! I assume I could just use a washer as the "shim"? *whispers to the other guys in the room "is that Dave?"*
As for the door, I figured that out today. The striker bolt was actually too far into the car. Moved it out as far as it could go and it's all good to go. The striker bolt was so far in that the door wouldn't close fully.
-- Edited by Chrisw on Monday 2nd of January 2017 11:10:03 PM
4SPEED427 said
Jan 2, 2017
So the door was only catching on the first latch? Boy, a guy always has to think outside the box, never would have thought of that!
So I'm just getting to work on my new to me 69 Hardtop and am having a few issues...
1) The passenger side of my hood is lifted about 1/3 inch when the hood is closed. Looking at the hood hinges there doesn't seem to be a lot of "adjustment" for up and down. I get how to adjust a hood so it spaces right off the quarters and the front end, but for this I have no idea. Is there some way of adjusting this back down or is the car in need of new hood hinges?
2) On another note, the drivers door closes (read "latches") just fine... except that once latched, the door still has about a 1/4 inch of movement. It rattles while you drive... awesome. Again, the male door pin on the frame doesn't seem like it has any adjustment, and the catch on the door appears to be in the same boat... I have new door pins and bushings for the hinges, but that is a totally different problem from what I can tell as that wont fix the catch problem.
The door latched and pushing in on it:
The door still latched and it sitting as far "out" as it will go:
--------------------------------------------
On a totally separate note... Anyone know what car this center console belongs to? It came with the car and is most certainly NOT for the car. Would be nice to sell it so I could buy one for the car.
-- Edited by Chrisw on Friday 30th of December 2016 08:07:56 PM
I'm not a body guy, but will take a stab at this:
1. Hood
I had a bad passenger side hood hinge on the 70 Parisienne I had 30 years ago. It sat proud of the fenders when closed. However, I could push it down to line up with the fenders. Can you push yours down, or is it sturdy where it is?
2. Door Pin
The pin that's attached to the body is adjustable. You can use a allen key to loosen it, there's a caged nut behind the door frame which can move around. Try loosening the door pin, and move it towards the center of the car, maybe 1/8" at a time. It's worth a try. Otherwise maybe the latch mechanism in the door is faulty. You can test the latch mechanism with the door open, just use a screwdriver to latch it. It should stay latched even if you poke around it with a screwdriver. Use the pushbutton or interior door lever to unlatch it.
I had the same problem on the driver side of my hood. I could push down on the hood after it was closed and it lined up. I replaced both of the 40+ year old hinges and problem solved. The door issue looks like the door striker or door latch adjustment is needed. The console?...
As for the door... I will try that adjustment. Crappy thing is that the previous owner pretty much stripped the all key slot on it. Might have to just weld on a nut, and buy a new one.
And then the console... Yeah. I have no idea what it belongs to. I posted on a few different forums and no one seems to know. I really don't want to throw out a good console, but without knowing what it is for... I cant really find it a new home. :S
I'd replace the whole hinge. Most likely the pin boss holes are worn oval. Open the hood and move up/down about 3" and see if the pivot points have slop in them.
Try putting a vice grip on the head of the door pin. It doesn't actually do anything critical, so if you put some teeth marks on it no huge deal. (try not to though) It really shouldn't be all that tight.
With bad springs it should just stay down when you take your hand off. I've never seen one spring back up.
I was having a similiar problem with my 67 Impala and sent the hood hinges off to the following company for rebuilding.
SMS AUTO RESTORATION SERVICES
32 Prudhomme St W
St Remi
Quebec, Canada
J0L 2L0
They have a US location as well. The Quebec location did mine and I am quite satisfied with the rebuild. Check their website for a more detailed explanation of their services.
Mine were done at least 6-10 years ago
US phone number 1-800-989-6660
Cliff
No slotting was required. It was around spring 2012 when it was shown here. I found a message then thanking him for the tip.
Was it loosen the hinges and lift the hood has high as it can go then tighten the hinge bolts down or some thing like that.
Yeah pretty sure that's it. Was going to say it but thought Dave may see this and give the info as before. Worked perfect for me. My hinges were still strong for holding up my hood but just needed that little push down always to flush it up.
I'll be honest in saying that I cant even fathom how that gets the hood DOWN. So you are saying that with the hood open, loosen the bolts that attach the hinge to the body, lift the hood up, tighten them at this high point, and that should drop the hood... ?
Put a shim between the hood and the hinge. at the front bolt, not the rear as you might think
i hope i explained that OK.
I will put in another way
the hinge bolts to the hood with 2 bolts loosen the front ones,lift the hood off the front of the hinge, stick a shim (or 2), retighten, and lower the hood, now the rearmost part of the hood should sit lower.
Usually works!!
Oh, ok. That makes a bit more sense. Thanks! I assume I could just use a washer as the "shim"? *whispers to the other guys in the room "is that Dave?"*
As for the door, I figured that out today. The striker bolt was actually too far into the car. Moved it out as far as it could go and it's all good to go. The striker bolt was so far in that the door wouldn't close fully.
-- Edited by Chrisw on Monday 2nd of January 2017 11:10:03 PM
So the door was only catching on the first latch? Boy, a guy always has to think outside the box, never would have thought of that!