Note that the Safe-T-Track (Positraction) price is incorrect. The dealer wrote in the price for the turbo 350 transmission with 6 cylinder on that line. I'm not 100% sure what the actual price for Posi was but on the Beaumont it was $49.10 which sounds right (about 15-20% more than the US price of $42.13)
I'm also posting the relevant postings for the Beaumont and Acadian in their respective areas.
North said
Oct 17, 2017
btw, the prices on the left are the retail price and on the right are the wholesale prices, fat margins back then!
4SPEED427 said
Oct 17, 2017
Are you done all the pages for this thread now John? If so, I'd like to lock it so it doesn't get cluttered. Or would you prefer it left open?
North said
Oct 17, 2017
I'm done this one as well as the Beaumont and Acadian ones. Up to you if you block them or not.
4SPEED427 said
Oct 17, 2017
My second thought is, since you got them posted in sequence with no posts in between, maybe we should just leave it open. This might be a good place for any discussion to evolve from them, and I suspect there will be! Very cool stuff.
cdnpont said
Oct 17, 2017
Interesting...You could get front and rear shoulder belts in a convertible?
Yes, you could also get convertible shoulder belts front or front and rear in the US. I have a GTO convertible that came with them.
The little difference is that in Canada you could get rear shoulder belts without also ordering deluxe belts. On US models rear belts were only offered with deluxe belts.
davepl said
Oct 17, 2017
My US car has shoulder belts in the the convertible and it brings extra trim items like the belt mounts which I bet are some of the rarest Canadian parts (deluxe and non-deluxe shoulder belt mounts for the convertibles).
North said
Oct 17, 2017
Those belt retainers were identical to an accessory kit sold by GM to clip your belts to the front of the front and rear seats. They screwed into the bottom front steel frame of both seats through the vinyl. These kits nos are often on eBay.
Those retainers were also used for shoulder belts on el caminos and 3rd row of wagons as well as convertibles.
There are two versions, one for deluxe and one for standard belts. They dont interchange due to buckle design.
Dinosaur said
Dec 12, 2017
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
cdnpont said
Dec 16, 2017
Interesting that the 427/390 seemed like a bargain to make you weep at $270 retail, but converted to todays dollars that's like $1800! So it was a pricy option then.
4SPEED427 said
Dec 16, 2017
cdnpont wrote:
Interesting that the 427/390 seemed like a bargain to make you weep at $270 retail, but converted to todays dollars that's like $1800! So it was a pricy option then.
I bet most of us on here would cough up $1800 today to buy it though!
North said
Dec 18, 2017
bear in mind that all the optional engines are priced over the cost of the 350 2bbl engine. The true extra cost from the base (six) was $110 or so more than those prices show.
Inversely the L36 was a good deal relative to the 55 less horse LS1 when you consider that the real extra for the L36 vs LS1 after accounting for it's standard duals is only $48.
ABC123 said
Dec 18, 2017
So, I have a two option car.
Easy to calculate.
The East York Lions Club coughed up a total of $40.30 for options for my lottery car.
The J50, Power brake is a stand-alone option so that ends the debate of "De-optioned"
I have seen another 69 Parisienne without power brakes.
4SPEED427 said
Dec 19, 2017
ABC123 wrote:
So, I have a two option car.
Easy to calculate.
The East York Lions Club coughed up a total of $40.30 for options for my lottery car.
The J50, Power brake is a stand-alone option so that ends the debate of "De-optioned"
I have seen another 69 Parisienne without power brakes.
The funny thing is, I read this and thought "who would buy such a big car with manual brakes?" Then I realized I have a big car with manual brakes, and I've noticed in US wrecking yards a lot of full size Chevys in the mid to late 60's have manual brakes, including Caprices. Weird.
davepl said
Jan 23, 2018
My Dad's 68 GMC that he drove contemporaneous with the Pontiac was a power-steering, manual-brake truck. I don't know why that was a common thing in Saskatchewan, but I saw a fair bit of it. Could it be a farmer thing? My dad wasn't a farmer, but we bought it from a farmer, and most everyone else was a farmer...
Then again you said you saw it in the US wrecking yards a lot, so maybe the uptake on power brakes was lower than you'd imagine, or people didn't fully trust them yet?
-- Edited by davepl on Tuesday 23rd of January 2018 12:59:54 PM
North said
Jan 26, 2018
With drum brakes you can easily get away without power assist but with disc brakes it was a different story. By the late 60's most high end cars had power brakes and steering (Cadillac, high end olds and Buick etc). The first Pontiac model to get power brakes as standard was the GP midway through the model year in 69. I think that by 71-72 power brakes and steering bacame standard on most larger American Pontiacs.
Here are the pages of the 69 Canadian Accessorizer I picked up on eBay:
Note that the Safe-T-Track (Positraction) price is incorrect. The dealer wrote in the price for the turbo 350 transmission with 6 cylinder on that line. I'm not 100% sure what the actual price for Posi was but on the Beaumont it was $49.10 which sounds right (about 15-20% more than the US price of $42.13)
Interesting...You could get front and rear shoulder belts in a convertible?
The little difference is that in Canada you could get rear shoulder belts without also ordering deluxe belts. On US models rear belts were only offered with deluxe belts.
Those retainers were also used for shoulder belts on el caminos and 3rd row of wagons as well as convertibles.
There are two versions, one for deluxe and one for standard belts. They dont interchange due to buckle design.
Interesting that the 427/390 seemed like a bargain to make you weep at $270 retail, but converted to todays dollars that's like $1800! So it was a pricy option then.
I bet most of us on here would cough up $1800 today to buy it though!
Inversely the L36 was a good deal relative to the 55 less horse LS1 when you consider that the real extra for the L36 vs LS1 after accounting for it's standard duals is only $48.
Easy to calculate.
The East York Lions Club coughed up a total of $40.30 for options for my lottery car.
The J50, Power brake is a stand-alone option so that ends the debate of "De-optioned"
I have seen another 69 Parisienne without power brakes.
The funny thing is, I read this and thought "who would buy such a big car with manual brakes?" Then I realized I have a big car with manual brakes, and I've noticed in US wrecking yards a lot of full size Chevys in the mid to late 60's have manual brakes, including Caprices. Weird.
My Dad's 68 GMC that he drove contemporaneous with the Pontiac was a power-steering, manual-brake truck. I don't know why that was a common thing in Saskatchewan, but I saw a fair bit of it. Could it be a farmer thing? My dad wasn't a farmer, but we bought it from a farmer, and most everyone else was a farmer...
Then again you said you saw it in the US wrecking yards a lot, so maybe the uptake on power brakes was lower than you'd imagine, or people didn't fully trust them yet?
-- Edited by davepl on Tuesday 23rd of January 2018 12:59:54 PM
Thanks again for this valuable tool.
My Convertible prices out about $ 4466.40
And
the 2+2, 427, 4 speed comes in about $ 5504.75
No wonder they sold so few.