1965 Beaumont wagon

ARCADIAN · Poncho Master!

1965 Beaumont wagon

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

If no one else chimes in, I will look tonight. I think the El Camino is all that shares that frame.

Sounds like a real neat car.

65Camino · Uber Guru

Yes, the El Camino and wagon share the frame. The others have a shorter rear overhang.

Ghost Post · Poncho Master!

65Camino wrote:

Yes, the El Camino and wagon share the frame. The others have a shorter rear overhang.

Were Camino frames stronger & boxed like convertible frames and the wagons not?.

And do any 64-72 A-Body Wagon frames fit like a Cutlass or Skylark one etc...usually all the holes are there for the different drivetrain mounts?.

Sounds like a VERY cool car worth saving!!!

-- Edited by Ghost Post at 12:06, 2008-08-27

65Camino · Uber Guru

I don't remember mine being boxed, although I will inspect it tonight and get back to you? 73Sc do you recall if mine is boxed?

Astro Jet · Poncho Master!

I think only convertible frames were boxed to make up for the lack of rigidity by not having a roof. Anything that had a roof (i.e. a structural arch that would provent the body from bending up at either end) just got by with regular "open" frame.

67rag396 · Poncho Master!

This is info I pulled from the chevelle site. Beaumont should be the same.

Rick

Re: Frame Interchange

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1964-1967 Chevelle 2 Door and 4 Door frames are interchangeable. 1964-1967 Cutlass, Skylark, Tempest are 4 Inches Longer from the rear tire to the rear bumper and have to be shortened. 1964-1967 Chevelle Station Wagon Frames are also 4 Inches longer from the rear tires to the rear bumper and have to be shortened. 1964-1967 El Camino Frames are boxed just like the convertible frames and also need to be shortened 4 Inches. You will have to use an El Camino or Convertible Crossmember as the non boxed frames use a different crossmember. Station Wagon Frames are not boxed.
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73SC · A Poncho Legend!

65Camino wrote:

I don't remember mine being boxed, although I will inspect it tonight and get back to you? 73Sc do you recall if mine is boxed?

Last time I was under it, it was boxed.

Ghost Post · Poncho Master!

Reading 67rag's frame interchange note above, if the 64-67 Cutlass, Skylark & Tempest frames are 4 Inches Longer from the rear tire to the rear bumper as well as the 64-67 Chevelle Wagons, do they swap?.

On the boxed frame thing, I only questioned this as I swapped a '68 wagon frame into a '72 Camino years back and seem to recall the rusty Camino one was boxed but the clean wagoon one wasn't..

One more thing and not that it matters if using a '64 frame but I seem to recall something different about '64 only control arms having grease nipples...anyone???

-- Edited by Ghost Post at 15:06, 2008-08-27

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

I think there was 2 different styles of upper control arm bushings in 64. As far as I know, it will not affect frame interchange, only upper control arm interchange.

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

heres a stick in the fan for you guys-the frame has a V.I.N. on it-if we change the frame what do we have ? a chevelle wagon/el camino or still the beaumont wagon ? Yes it will still have a beaumont ownership and tags on the body but how much can we change before its a different car or bordering legal-this steming from the 68 SD conversation and the L79 Acadian conversation.

ARCADIAN · Poncho Master!

The vin is located drivers side rear wheel area, if I want to restore this car I won't have any choice but to change the frame as the other one is toast!

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

I have no problem with it, rather have a rust free chevelle frame under it than a bunch of patches anyday-sort of the same as a guy replacing a body would rather have that than panels replaced/patched

Ghost Post · Poncho Master!

Personal opinion...I think changing frames is Ok too but swapping a body and moving tags and/or body Vin locations a whole different thing..

And a frame change should be on the table come sale time...especially so if a high dollar car..

smile

-- Edited by Ghost Post at 11:33, 2008-08-29

Stephenzone · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

i bought a 56 chev half ton frame from california and it had the serial number on the top of the frame under where the cab would sit

67BBSD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

a judgement call as to how much material or what parts can be changed before it becomes a different car. A frame yes just unbolts but to most people is consider at least one of the major components. Like changing body panels, if we change fenders, doors, quarters, hood, trunk, floors (which a lot of cars get over time ) is it a different car ? if we change the body and move the tags we've done something bad but what if we cowl cut the body and don't move the tags ? Sure I'd like to know all this stuff too at the time of purchase but I doubt many people would disclose it-half the time the owner "can't remember" if the body shop put quarter panels on it, what kind they were or where they are joined.

Really I'm OK with changing the frame-its saves the car !

65Camino · Uber Guru

On the way back from a service call I stopped beside a 64 El C. Looked underneath and noticed his frame is boxed at the rear from the wheel humps back to the rear bumper. Looked at mine to compare and mine is open there. Noticed mine is at least three inches lower, Sweeet!