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I don't know if it's my french, but they don't list the 455 as a optionconfuse
I also never knew you could buy a wagon with a 6. I thought the smallest was a 350.

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I always new that to be true, no 455 in 70 for the Tempest or LeMans or Wagon.

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I have that same brochure in "English". Never noticed.. I will check what it has on it

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Talking about 1970  LeMans;   I ordered up a 1970 LeMans SW from Carter Motors in Burnaby BC     Still have the build sheet for it.  It was hidden underneath the front seat springs.  Anyways  I ordered the 400 Cu in 330 hp motor  with TH400 trans  and a HD rear end with posi; and ralley II wheels; and a tach .  After it arrived I had the dealer install a rear stabilizer bar from an Olds 442  (as pontiacs didn't have  them at the time)   At the factory they had installed a Chev 12 bolt rear end  .
Another interesting fact.  Normally cars had speedometers that went up to 120 mph in those days, including  LeMans cars.  my sw had a speedometer that went  to 140 mph.  I guessed that was because of the 400  cu. in  high compression 4 barrel motor.
With the stock 3.08 rear end  it could reach 140
1970 was one of the last years that you could get a factory High Compression motor from GM
I had that sw from 1970 to 1978  put on 300,000 miles without ever touching the transmission.  Those TH400 are bullet proof.

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It would be interesting to get the GM Docs on that wagon. There couldn't have been too many made like that!

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That's a Cool car.What colour was it?

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The colour was green.
I will try to get the build sheet scanned

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We had a light green 2dr. post Tempest bought new at Hogan in Toronto in October 1969. It had a 140 speedo too.

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Ray;
Can you tell me how to include or attach a scanned copy of my build sheet with a post here ?

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First it is easiest if it is a JPEG file, PDF files don't play nice.

When posting, two check boxes appear below the white box. Check the one that says Attach Image, then a browser will open and you can go to your computer and select the file.

Once you do that press upload. The file will appear below the white box place your cursor in the white box where you want the photo then click Insert and Submit Post.

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69Laurentian wrote:

It would be interesting to get the GM Docs on that wagon. There couldn't have been too many made like that!



The only thing that I have from/about this LeMans SW is the factory  buildsheet which was under the front seat.  The colour was the same green as the  LeMans Sport Conv in the brochure.  Rally II wheels are the ones that are on the orange GTO in Brochure.scan0001.jpg

 



-- Edited by 73SC on Wednesday 5th of May 2010 10:48:29 PM

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I enlarged the photo. Seeing that the car was out of Baltimore, makes me think no wagons came ot of Oshawa in 1970.  Anyone ever seen a Chevy engine in a LeMans wagon 71-77? Maybe Ste. Therese/Oshawa never made LeMans wagons. Anyone know?

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I remember back in 1974 when we were camping up at Ivanhoe Lake (west of Timmins, east of Chapleau). The people at the next campsite were from Toronto and had a neat Cardinal Red 1971 Pontiac Lemans Safari wagon. Besides the original bright red paint, it had woodgrain siding and factory Rally II wheels. On the rockers it said "350". Checking the oil under the hood I saw that it was a blue block engine (a Pontiac 350, not an orange block Chevy).

There is a thing called allocations when planning car production. Certain plants will build specific models or body styles. As I recall, even the Chevelle wagons in Canada for 1971 were made in the U.S. The Chevelles for 1971 only offered the Powerglide as the sole automatic behind the sixes, yet in Canada all six-cylinder Chevelles except wagons were offered with a choice of automatics, Powerglide or TurboHydramatic. Note that I said "except wagons". The Chevelle wagons were all being imported from the U.S. in 1971; it follows that the Lemans wagons were sourced from a U.S factory as well. I think that lower production body styles were all pooled at one plant. For example the Lemans the convertibles that year were all coming from Pontiac, Michigan. Remember that in the past they may have built all body styles in Canada before the Auto Pact came into full force. I believe that is partly why we saw car like the Beaumont patterned so closely after the Chevelle; the economies of scale. In Canada the Chevelle & Beaumont shared all body panels except for fender end caps. Likewise, convertibles shared all body panels. By sharing the stampings for both Chevelles & Beaumonts, plus offering a few really basic models like the 300 convertible enabled them to amortize all the specific body stampings. Hey, if GM was going to commit to tooling up, they better use whatever means necessary to get the production numbers high enough to pay for the tooling. That is probably a big reason that there was a base Beaumont & Chevelle 300 convertible in 1965-67; that, plus the slightly lower standard of living in Canada (we were cheaper than our friends south of the border).

The Auto Pact was signed in 1965 but would be too late to affect production allocations of the 1966 models. By mid-year 1967 (still in calendar date 1966) we started seeing changes to the Chevelle & Beaumont offerings (SS396 previously had been U.S.-made only whereas in Canada we initially had the Malibu SS trim with the possibility of 396 power under the hood. Eventually the Beaumonts would be phased out and Oshawa would begin building the Lemans, but only certain models or body styles. The Oshawa Lemans offered a 350 Chevy, while the U.S cars used the Pontiac 350. All larger V8s were Pontiacs though by then. Even the GTO was built in Oshawa, but that was for 1970 only. As a matter of fact, Oshawa built ONE 1970 GTO Judge with a 455!



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Cam, as usual a thoughtful and accurate comment. I will just add that GTO was actually built for two years in Oshawa, 1970 as you point out and 1973.

While I never gave it much thought before I am now thinking no LeMans wagons from Oshawa in the 70 to 77 era.

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I would of been hard to re-tool a line to make a wagon. Same as no converts either.

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CdnGMfan wrote:
. Hey, if GM was going to commit to tooling up, they better use whatever means necessary to get the production numbers high enough to pay for the tooling. That is probably a big reason that there was a base Beaumont & Chevelle 300 convertible in 1965-67; that, plus the slightly lower standard of living in Canada (we were cheaper than our friends south of the border).

 


That makes perfect sense, and yet for at least one of those years, the convert production on a 300 was extremely low. I think in 67 there were 99 converts made in the 300 series.

 



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73SC wrote:

Cam, as usual a thoughtful and accurate comment. I will just add that GTO was actually built for two years in Oshawa, 1970 as you point out and 1973.

While I never gave it much thought before I am now thinking no LeMans wagons from Oshawa in the 70 to 77 era.



Ray, that is a good point and thank you for setting it straight.  thumbsup.gif   I thought I was going off on a tangent anyway. bored.gif

A neighbor owned a 1972 Lemans GT that was built in Pontiac, Michigan and sold new out of Gus Brown Pontiac-Buick-Cadillac (it was really nice, 400 4-speed, 355 Safe-T-Track, winter stored since new). At that point all the 1972 Lemans GT & earlier GT-37 cars were from the U.S., but for 1973 as you point out the GTO & GT were built in Oshawa (among other places). The GTs continued to be built in Canada (remember the 1975 Canada Cup GT & the 1976 Olympic Edition Lemans? Of course you do! smile.gif)

 



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Nice info! Thanks for posting it here!

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455gto wrote:

I don't know if it's my french, but they don't list the 455 as a optionconfuse
I also never knew you could buy a wagon with a 6. I thought the smallest was a 350.



  I will have to check my english one , cool to see it in french

 



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