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'62 and '64 Parisienne convertibles on ebay


Found 2 auctions on ebay for Canadian Ponchos.
First is a for '62 and seems quite straight forward. ( auction 250433160766 )
Second is for a '64 and seems quite exagerated. ( auction 150348582475 ) Did they ever put a " 301 Corvette engine " in a limited number of Parisiennes? What do you guys say about the claims made?
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Second is for a '64 and seems quite exagerated. ( auction 150348582475 ) Did they ever put a " 301 Corvette engine " in a limited number of Parisiennes? What do you guys say about the claims made?
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Re. the 64: it's amazing what lack of knowledge can do. Seller seems to think he has a more rare car than he does, and the potential bidders seem genuinely uninformed. Can't blame the latter group though: US buyers couldn't be expected to know much about these Canadian market cars.

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He says 301 V8 with 340 HP. What engine would have 340 HP in 64....it would have to be a 409 wouldn't it but it is a sbc. A 327 might be 300 HP. If he has paperwork from Oshawa how can he read it that wrongly?

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I sent him a question asking to confirm engine size from documentation. confuse

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The engine shown in the '64 is a SB..
Top SB's available for '64 Full Size was the L74 327/300Hp..
'64 SB 'Vettes had the L75 327/300 and optional L76 327/365 4-Bbl or L84 327/375 FI's..
The L79 327/350 Hp was first available in '65 cars so if this guy's trying to say he has a documented late '64 w/ an L79, maybe he has something there?.

Here's clickable links to the eBay cars...

'62
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38.l1313%26_nkw%3D250433160766%2B%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&item=250433160766&viewitem=


'64
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38.l1313%26_nkw%3D150348582475%2B%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1&item=150348582475&viewitem=

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He has not posted my question yet. I basically said for him to confirm that his documentatioin from George says 301 V8. I was going to add much of what you have written Ghost Post but kept it simple. I think one of the 409's would have been rated at 340 HP in 64 but it is clearly an sbc and clearly molested contrary to the comments. It's got brand new valve covers, an aluminum intake and a huge Edelbrock air cleaner for Pete's Sake!



-- Edited by 73SC on Tuesday 2nd of June 2009 11:04:06 AM

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Got my answer in an e-mail to me.

"Yes. The engine is numbers matching in every respect. The engine is the original 283ci/195hp.

Confirmed numerous times. Also, re-confirmed the numbers matching after the engine was bored over.60 thousands to a 301ci/340hp.

Certified numbers are in the reports from pre rebuild - 1996 and post rebuild 2003.

Every aspect of the car is original: except new tires; rebuild of engine; and new paint all in 2003.

I purchased this car from the original owner in March 1969 and have owned it over 40 years.

It has won every award in the Pontiac NAtionals the last 5 years in a row."


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Like I said.

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With respect to the " one of One" left"  "Only 3 ever built"
What a bunch of crapola.

I would bet there is at least 50 of these model number V8 parisiennes in winnipeg alone.

I would take an educated guess that GM produced around 5000-6000 of these cars.

Maybe fred has some production figures for us?

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And a 283 2 bbl 195 HP engine, the most ubiquitous Canadian Pontiac power plant produced from 1957 to 66.

Could the questions and answers posted on ebay be set ups?

Ya, every aspect of the car is original, except......

-- Edited by 73SC on Tuesday 2nd of June 2009 12:47:03 PM

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So if he's admitting it's a 283/195, how does his comment "Corvette drive-train -- YES built that way by GM!" fit into the picture?.

Award winner or not, personally I feel this car has the 'inspect me on a lift before spending a dime' look and reminds me of the old Trooper song...3 dressed up as a 9!.

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The US market refers to a 283 engine - once built as a 301.  Normally these engines have been built about sixty thousandths for the rebuild.
I have such a beast up here in MB - add a Edelbrock intake, open up the carb and increase fuel lines you ca neasily get 350 horse power...
I have one in my '63.  Not so rare as you me seem.

With aditional modifications you can eaisly build a 327 from a 283 -- but will sacrifice internals of 283 though.  Cheers.  Allan

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Thanks Allan, I think we all agree it is a super nice car but you'd have to admit that the write up is very confusing. In all respects the write up mentions unmolested 301 Corvette drivetrain and that is just plain and simply misleading. No one is doubting the HP claim either just the originality, which in the end has no veracity. 

We all know what you get when you cross a 283 with a 327, at least we all should know:

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Here is the statement that makes it blow.

Total original and unmolested.  301cu V8 with 340 hp

How is it original and unmolested if you bored it out  60 thousand ? Makes it out to sound like this car came from the factory with a 301.  no.gif
 

 The only pontiac with a 301 would have been in 1977. That would have been a big block. I don't think they ever came close to 340 hp.



-- Edited by Beaumont4008 on Tuesday 2nd of June 2009 05:27:45 PM

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Next time anyone needs an easy 145 hp increase, just bore a 283 "30 over".

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Good one Bob !  The most peculiar thing is he keeps posting peoples questions that are obviously staged but my question was answered privately and not posted.  Not telling the whole truth is pretty much the same thing as fabricating it in my books.

I guess he just overlooked the fact that there would be a few thousand experts in the Country north of the 49th who know his auction description is......Horse Twaddle.


-- Edited by 73SC on Tuesday 2nd of June 2009 05:46:53 PM

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Your comments just confirm what I thought when I started this thread.
I email him for the data plate info and though he's promised it I haven't received it, yet.
Thought that atleast a pic of the data plate would help fill out the registry.
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He's added a pic of the data plate to the auction if anyone wants to decipher it.
Dual master cylinder....original?

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Dual master cylinder....original?


Must be part of the special Corvette equipment those Crazy Canucks were bolting on these things back in '64 at the same time they were dropping in a 301 small block. wink

 



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Almost any old hot rodder or back yard mechanic from the mid to late 60's could tell you if you bored out a 283, left the stroke the same, added big port heads, solid lifters with a high lift cam and a 750-800 cfm Holley, you would have a 301 that put out well over 300 hp.

Took GM until 1967 to realize this but they called it a 302.

GM offered a fuel injected 283 starting in 1957 that put out 283hp, the first motor to have 1 to 1 cu.in. to hp specs.

All that being said, this car did not come factory equipped with a "301".

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GM offered a fuel injected 283 starting in 1957 that put out 283hp, the first motor to have 1 to 1 cu.in. to hp specs.

All that being said, this car did not come factory equipped with a "301".



Rebel,

I agree that popular wisdom claims that 1:1 crown for Chevrolet in 1957, but here's the truth.........

The Chrysler 354 cu in (5.8 L) engine was produced in 1956. Bore was 3.9375" with a 3.625" stroke. It was used in the 1956 Chrysler New Yorker, Imperial Custom and Crown, and Chrysler 300B. The engine was rated at 340hp. An optional 355hp version was available, making it the first American V-8 to be rated at one horsepower per cubic inch.


 



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67HEAVEN wrote:

 

Rebel wrote:

GM offered a fuel injected 283 starting in 1957 that put out 283hp, the first motor to have 1 to 1 cu.in. to hp specs.

All that being said, this car did not come factory equipped with a "301".



Rebel,

I agree that popular wisdom claims that 1:1 crown for Chevrolet in 1957, but here's the truth.........

The Chrysler 354 cu in (5.8 L) engine was produced in 1956. Bore was 3.9375" with a 3.625" stroke. It was used in the 1956 Chrysler New Yorker, Imperial Custom and Crown, and Chrysler 300B. The engine was rated at 340hp. An optional 355hp version was available, making it the first American V-8 to be rated at one horsepower per cubic inch.


 A lot of people seem to forget about the 354/355 HEMI, unless your into Mopars. 55 300C then 56 300B are one of the classiest cars built in the 50's


 



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Uh, I'm no math wizard but to get 301 cubes from a 283 don't you have to bore       .120 over ?

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Rebel wrote:

Almost any old hot rodder or back yard mechanic from the mid to late 60's could tell you if you bored out a 283, left the stroke the same, added big port heads, solid lifters with a high lift cam and a 750-800 cfm Holley, you would have a 301 that put out well over 300 hp.

Took GM until 1967 to realize this but they called it a 302.

GM offered a fuel injected 283 starting in 1957 that put out 283hp, the first motor to have 1 to 1 cu.in. to hp specs.


I don't think anyone is disputing any thing you said, all we are saying is the engine can not be unmolested and original if it is a 301 and further more this 1 of 4 or whatever he claims is just a pipe dream.

 



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