I just watched CTV news net & they had a story about Quebec bringing a new emmissions law, that every car over 15 yrs. old "must" pass a emm. test or be taken off the road, nothing was said about "collector cars. If this spreads across the provinces, we are in TROUBLE The polititions don't care about the us, & they are after VOTES so they go GREEN to show how green they are, & sucker those into voting for them!! Keep a watch on this!!!! Is this a ploy to get us to buy "new " green cars from the Co's that they BAILED out. Didn't work in the US, as mostly IMPORTS were sold during the CLUNKER program
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Some times I wake up GRUMPY, but today I let her sleep in !!!!!!!!BLACKSTOCK Ont.
Anyone for moving all the car guys to a central location and then declaring an independent country?
Yes!!!!!!
Or allow Quebec to leave and put up toll roads, so they can't come in
This is my biggest peeve. We are bilingual in Canada and must mark everything accordingly, EXCEPT in Quebec? thats BS..
I'm In! I say build a wall around Quebec, and then fill it with water. ( being born and raised in Montreal, I can say this!) Only thing we need to save are the Canadians, GO HABS GO!
Where is the warmest place in Canada?? somewhere that we could drive almost year round?? Probably out here on the west coast. No u guys have to stay out there inthe cold. Not enough room for everyone out here. LOL. There is a lot of Guys in the Vancouver BC area that do have to go through Aircare with their older cars and they do pass, they must lean them out and use high octane fuel to get through.
Sad to say, what us car guys need are lawyers (yes, I too would also prefer guns, but ...). The only way to stop the politicians and their stupid regulations are with legal counterattacks. I sure hope that the aftermarket industry can help, I cannot think of any other organized group that could. Maybe forward the information above to them and ask what they can do to help?
Although when I look closely at the stuff on that website, I see that they represent only the parts manufacturers, not the enthusiast - for example, they are all in favor of emissions testing since that will lead to more sales of emissios parts. I don't know if there is a trade association for the restoration industry, surely they would be interested in this fight?
The whole anti-car movement has parallels to the environazis and anti-boaters others who say "we don't like what you are doing so we will trump up specious claims [i.e. based on bad science and massaged data] against you and use our loud clamor to convince politicians to do what we want"
Gotta have lawyers to fight that, eh?
If you have not read Michael Crichton's 'State of Fear' I highly recommend it.
Dave
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Is there any groups here in the Great White North other than the antique guys [that hate modifieds] that are involved in fighting this B/S that the provincial & Federal Gov. keep coming up with to "kill" the old car hobby. The MOE started going after older cars this summer here in Ontario for emm. & are going to hit the Hot Rods next summer from what i was told, so this could be the beginning of the "crack down"or CASH GRAB whatever way you look at it.
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Some times I wake up GRUMPY, but today I let her sleep in !!!!!!!!BLACKSTOCK Ont.
"...this vehicle has been modified from the manufacturer's original design...."
Lovely, just F%^$ing LOVELY I've never heard of that happening, but can see it's been done. Noticed that they did not say have it inspected by a mechanic, but by an engineer[ not the train type] & I'll bet that was expensive. Anyone know the outcome of this incident???
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Some times I wake up GRUMPY, but today I let her sleep in !!!!!!!!BLACKSTOCK Ont.
It's not just Quebec, my fire-breathing compatriots.
I wonder what the impact of the item marked in red will be on Manitobans?
Wow, I'm born and raised here and hadn't heard a word about that one.
What a pile of idiots we have! There are people who can't afford anything better than a thousand dollar car. Pretty soon we'll have to be rich to stay here...
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1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars (now converted to a "factory" 4 speed)
......just F%^$ing LOVELY I've never heard of that happening, but can see it's been done. Noticed that they did not say have it inspected by a mechanic, but by an engineer[ not the train type] & I'll bet that was expensive. Anyone know the outcome of this incident???
I don't know the outcome, but you're correct. The vehicle owner cannot go to a local mechanic and have the car certified as safe. Oh no. It's off to a professional engineer.
What a pile of idiots we have! There are people who can't afford anything better than a thousand dollar car. Pretty soon we'll have to be rich to stay here...
How right you are, C1. How right you are.
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The end of the classic car
By Brian Cooley Editor at large June 1, 2005
It is with great regret that I report the death of the classic car.
Under "cause of death," the autopsy report won't cite today's many inelegant designs nor will it point to dwindling interest among the populace in restoring and preserving machines that evoke the past. Instead, the cause of death will read: "Obsolescence by extreme infiltration of 1s and 0s." In other words, digital technologies will make tomorrow's old cars unsustainable.
The vast classic car hobby gets much of its lifeblood from a thriving cottage industry of aftermarket parts makers. One may specialize in rubber seals and carpet sets for early Corvettes, while another concentrates on Thunderbird taillight lenses and sequential turn-signal controllers. Still, others offer cranks, cams, and blocks for Ford's 289-429 V-8s, and the list goes on--all are needs left behind by their original maker.
So how will these small parts manufacturers offer, say, a replacement IMA controller for a 2005 Honda Insight when that car is 35 years old? How about a voice-recognition module for a 2006 Lexus GS 430 30 years down the road? Will these vendors have the skills to reverse engineer complex digital parts, and if they do, how will they amortize the cost of a chip foundry cranking out replacements in quantities of probably just a few thousand? And even if they figure all of that out, where will the money come from to defend themselves in court from a phalanx of auto-industry lawyers pursuing an action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act for intellectual property theft?
Carmakers hold the keys to a car's longevity like never before. Sure, they want their cars on the road long enough to build a reputation of durability, but they don't want it to be so long that you don't come back to buy another one. When your car turns 20 years old (max), the guys at your dealership's parts counter start looking at you funny. They chuckle a little as they futilely look up the part you want for your 1985 something or other. I should know; I have cars dating back to '88, '67, and '66. But if I had been born 30 years later, I'd probably have to take up orchids as a pastime instead.
As a particular model ages, carmakers start to phase out certain parts from their catalog, and trim elements, such as headliners, A-pillar garnishes, and dashboard bezels, usually go first. Small engine parts disappear next, especially belt-driven accessories and odd little valves and relays. Later, even heavy iron, such as cranks, cams, and heads, go poof. But the good news is that all of the above can be reproduced by a competent aftermarket.
A car's digital elements are a different story. The main engine management computer in your car is extraordinarily complex, and you aren't going anywhere without it. And there are typically a dozen other processors in today's cars, all just as complex. Worse, they're proprietary, so once you figure out how to reverse engineer Ford's EEC-IV module, that's it--you've reverse engineered Ford's EEC-IV module. You want to do an older Volvo computer too? Start from scratch. And don't even think about the technology that controls safety gear, such as air bags and ABS. With enormous liabilities, as well as federal and state regulation, nobody will try and reproduce safety components.
Junkyards have traditionally been a source of salvation for old car restoration, but again, regulation is increasingly making it illegal to chase parts for your car. Emissions control and supplemental restraint parts are fraught with legal oversight, and I can see a day when more components go the same way. Imagine needing a new set of batteries for your 22-year-old Prius, long after Toyota has stopped making them. You find a low-mileage, lightly rolled Prius in a junkyard with a good battery pack but are told by the scary guy at the front desk that they can sell those to only a licensed toxic waste recycler. This is the kind of scenario you can count on your car-stupid legislators to create.
Now, if you think all this hand-wringing affects just a few guys in cardigans with too much money and too many shiny old cars in their mansion's garage, think again. Regular people who need a cheap car are in serious trouble; just as the classic car goes extinct, so does the reliable beater. Patching up your '82 Ford Fairmont with parts from AutoZone is a perfectly sound transportation strategy today. But do you really think a 23-year-old Nissan Murano will be patched up the same way? Not so much.
A lot of car cynics say none of this matters like it used to, that today's cars are not destined to be classics anyway. I agree that today's cars lack the soul that made yesterday's models so fascinating, but the fact remains that if you like cars at all, the vehicles of your childhood will beckon you in your 40s. It's human nature. You may have memories of being an 8-year-old, riding in your parents' Lexus RX 400h and listening to Maroon 5 on that funky old FM band people used to tune into. But by 2046, when you seek and find that vintage 400h, you'll probably only be able to display it on blocks.
Given that our demographic and older are the only ones who bother to vote anymore we should have a fair bit of influence.
We have to use the angle that we are the original reusers and recyclers! All the greeno-come-latelys don't even know the real meaning of the word. They figure because they recycle their totally unnecessary plastic water bottles they are purer than the driven snow.
Is there any groups here in the Great White North other than the antique guys [that hate modifieds] that are involved in fighting this B/S that the provincial & Federal Gov. keep coming up with to "kill" the old car hobby. The MOE started going after older cars this summer here in Ontario for emm. & are going to hit the Hot Rods next summer from what i was told, so this could be the beginning of the "crack down"or CASH GRAB whatever way you look at it.
Great responses, but, nobody answered the main question, is there a "body" out there, other than the antique guys that have a VOICE, in the US SEMA is at the forfront in battling the congress to put these "stupid" bills in the dumpster,but I don't know of a group like that in Canada. Would they listen to a bunch of car guys & girls with no "clout" & very few who would vote the buggers back in???
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Some times I wake up GRUMPY, but today I let her sleep in !!!!!!!!BLACKSTOCK Ont.
We will tell them , we will recycle them, when WE are done with them!!!
I am going to take my car (in the spring), and have a E test I will bet you a box of ____ that I can get it to pass!!!!
When an 85 had to be e-tested my wife had a 305 v-8 in a Grand Prix-I leaned it to a point that it ran incredibly poor but passed ! My brother had a 90 454 SS pick up with no cats-got roadside test-passed flying colors-never looked underneath-just put the pipes on the tails ! what a farce !
There's an old saying, "The solution to pollution is dilution." If you think about it pollution is just the concentration of something that in a diluted state might be quite harmless.(or under arbitrary limits) That being said, I'm sure there are many ways to make an adequate amount of fresh air come out a tailpipe during an emission test. I always thought that pretty much was the concept of the old air pump that everybody tossed off thier car back in the early days of pollution equipment.
Course i ain't no engineer.
Of course there's more this than that. The greenies really just don't like fossils af any kind, be it cars, fuel or us for that matter.
We could make use of a temporary Cat Convertor, buy or find a good used one and have someone make up some flanges, bolt it on and take it in, after remove the pipe, might look stupid, but would probably help make it pass.
It appears that some of you are all ready down for the count!!! Figuring out ways to "pass" this "dumbass" test, when we should be trying to stop these A$$ holes from even having our collector cars even considered for testing!!! Again, does anyone know a group we could get in with, to stop this, [like SEMA in the States] there's got to be something here, or do we allways "roll over" like good sheep & go with the flow & say "excuse me" like all good Canadians do & FOLD UP Come on boys & girls, we have to be ready if they start pressing this idea across the country. Are there any members on here from Quebec!!!! Before we build the wall,may be one of them can "splain" what's goin on" IN ENGLISH
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Some times I wake up GRUMPY, but today I let her sleep in !!!!!!!!BLACKSTOCK Ont.
SEMA, that's who I was trying to remember, they are the big guns us old car lovers have behind us. But sorry guys, it looks like they limit themselves to the US. Maybe an inquiry to them to see if there is a counterpart in Canada to help with such problems?