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RE: OLD FORD STORY AND PHOTOS 1 0F 7


This thread is so surreal! Just today by coincidence I was thinking of the Canadian-exclusive (elusive?) 1965 K-code HiPo Falcons. Back around 1980 I remember another 1965 Falcon HiPo for sale around Hamilton. It was a Futura Sport Coupe (hardtop!) and had some custom graphics and underhood brightwork typical of show cars before the restoration craze took hold. Perhaps some of you might have even seen it, the car was called (this is so cheesy) 'Falcon Around'. It was black with orange and yellow graphics, had Centerline wheels and typical braided stuff under the hood.

I am in a small local car club with some young and middle-age guys (guilty!) plus a few older guys that are retired as well. One of the older guys told me that in 1965 he owned a new 1965 Falcon Futura convertible with a 289 HiPo. I wonder if it could be true? With only 7 HiPo 289 Falcons out the door in Oakville it must be verifiable. It is a big question mark in my mind. It would be neat if this convertible was legit. I doubt they would encourage K-motor installation in the flexible convertible body style, but with additional factory bracing it was almost like a frame added to the unibody.
Another member of the club currently races a 1971 Torino SCJ and had been racing since the late 1960s around southern Ontario. He knows people like Barrie Poole and John Petrie. He also remembers a 1961 Falcon drag car with a really built 300 straight six called The Pepper Mill. I remember the car always parked on the lot of a Shell gas station in downtown Dundas, Ontario. Around 1977 that car was sold and the guy built a 1972 Vega Panel Express (a sedan delivery) with a race ready small block Chevy under the hood.

I am getting my motor build by Tom Morano of Affordable Performance. Tom was into racing for a long time. In 1965 he bought a new Mercury Comet Caliente coupe with a 289 4-speed (not a HiPo). The Comet is more or less a Falcon. He went through many different configurations, from four 2-throat Webers and maybe a tunnel ram, plus I think he said he once even ran a 427 SOHC (a museum piece). He sold the 289 he built up and it continued to hold up under flogging in a new hot rod. Well Tom somehow managed to hold onto his Comet all these years. About 2 months ago I snapped some pictures of it. The car had been in storage for 25 years and still had 1984 stickers on it. He is now building a 5.0 with Cleveland heads to drop in it (sounds a lot like a Boss 302). Tom has been building strokers for decades, even before they were really know (he is 68 now). He builds the racing motors for several people I know and he is thorough and knowledgeable. Hes nearly finished turning my 250 six into a 296 (its a lot easier to start with a tall deck 292 than to clearance a 230 or 250, plus all the custom made parts get expensive). I went that route because I need the underhood clearance on my 1967 Chevelle when running twin downdraft carbs on it while looking stock outside.


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That six you are building sound exciting. You will have to post pics when you get it back. Love the idea. Is it a stroker crank ?  What about the heads. Stock with bigger valves and some port work ?

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we wrecked out a 65 falcon that was a roll over back in the 70 s it was a 289 271 hp 4spd k code car , always wished id just put a new roof on it.

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That six you are building sound exciting. You will have to post pics when you get it back. Love the idea. Is it a stroker crank ?  What about the heads. Stock with bigger valves and some port work ?



It has an early sixties forged steel 292 crank (4.125 inch stroke), custom made long I-beam rods from Eagle, custom high pin forged pistons from Diamond (10:1 compression, I hope I don't have too much trouble with pump gas). The head is based on the Kay Sissel lump port design where they add material to the floor of the intake ports. To that they are machined to reduce the tight turns the intake charge has to negotiate in the stock head. Airflow is helped a bunch more by removing the dividers between the paired intake ports , necessitating special short head bolts. The head is also running screw-in rocker studs and I just had Harland Sharp roller rockers installed. I upgraded the valves. It now has 1.84 intake & 1.60 exhaust valves. I could have run 1.94 intake valves but the hardened seats were already installed, plus too large a size might shroud the valves a bit. A nice multi-angle valve seat prep and I think it will work just fine though. The stock valves were 1.72 intake & 1.50 exhaust like 307 V8s and most 283s.

The cam is not a really hot cam, more of an RV grind (actually it is a GM marine cam). Proper steel timing gears are used. Intake is an Offenhauser twin cab setup originally done for a pair of 1-barrel carbs. There has been a little cleaning up inside and port matching. I have 2 brand new Carter-Weber staged 2-barrel carbs ready to go on. I thought multiple carbs will help even out the distribution on that long inline six, plus there is a certain nostalgia factor that I was aiming for. I have ordered a small body distributor that is covertly converted to HEI (Stovebolt Engine Co. is just getting ready to start producing them this week or next hopefully). Headers are a pair of Stovebolt cast iron 3-into-1 headers. This motor should be plenty strong. It is not about peak horspower, it is about STRONG torque (for 296 c.i.). I do not think this engine will run out of breath at higher rpms like the stock sixes do.

To think that I was all about keeping it purist stock. I am definetly holding onto the original drivetrain as it ran so smoothly and delivered 30 Imperial mpg on the highway (I was really surprised since I was only expecting about 19 to 22).

Attached is a picture of the head after some preliminary work was done last summer. The engine is coming together nicely now.

Also attached is a picture of a Chevy-six-derived Australian Holden engine from the 1965 Holden brochure. Headers and twin carbs were stock on some 1965 Holdens! Never mind that they were 194 sixes destroked to 179 c.i.d.

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CdnGMfan wrote:

I am getting my motor build by Tom Morano of Affordable Performance. Tom was into racing for a long time. In 1965 he bought a new Mercury Comet Caliente coupe with a 289 4-speed (not a HiPo). The Comet is more or less a Falcon. He went through many different configurations, from four 2-throat Webers and maybe a tunnel ram, plus I think he said he once even ran a 427 SOHC (a museum piece). He sold the 289 he built up and it continued to hold up under flogging in a new hot rod. Well Tom somehow managed to hold onto his Comet all these years. About 2 months ago I snapped some pictures of it. The car had been in storage for 25 years and still had 1984 stickers on it. He is now building a 5.0 with Cleveland heads to drop in it (sounds a lot like a Boss 302). Tom has been building strokers for decades, even before they were really know (he is 68 now). He builds the racing motors for several people I know and he is thorough and knowledgeable. Hes nearly finished turning my 250 six into a 296 (its a lot easier to start with a tall deck 292 than to clearance a 230 or 250, plus all the custom made parts get expensive). I went that route because I need the underhood clearance on my 1967 Chevelle when running twin downdraft carbs on it while looking stock outside.

It's a small world after all. Back in the eighties Tom ran a body shop on Eastern Ave. Growing up in the neighbourhood I would go by there a lot. Still remember him working on his Pinto with a 460 in it.  A few years later I ran into him and his Comet. Turns out he lives a couple of blocks south of where 73SC and myself live now.

 



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CdnGMfan wrote:

1.  This thread is so surreal! Just today by coincidence I was thinking of the Canadian-exclusive (elusive?) 1965 K-code HiPo Falcons. 


It cool to see that we have early experiences, that last today!  lol


2. Another member of the club currently races a 1971 Torino SCJ and had been racing since the late 1960s around southern Ontario


           I bought a 69 Camaro from a fellow in Woodstock, who's partner was running a white (I think)Cobra Jet torino conv at the drags   this was 1993

 



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427carl wrote:

CdnGMfan wrote:

1.  This thread is so surreal! Just today by coincidence I was thinking of the Canadian-exclusive (elusive?) 1965 K-code HiPo Falcons. 


It cool to see that we have early experiences, that last today!  lol


2. Another member of the club currently races a 1971 Torino SCJ and had been racing since the late 1960s around southern Ontario


           I bought a 69 Camaro from a fellow in Woodstock, who's partner was running a white (I think)Cobra Jet torino conv at the drags   this was 1993

 



Charlie is the guy that runs the  Torino CJ. He used to run a 1969 Mercury Montego MX convertible with a 428 CJ. When I saw pictures of it the car was black. Somewhere I do have a local Auto Trader issue with a white '69 Montego CJ convertible for sale that was advertised as being a record holder. This was probably from the 1980s sometime. My brother used to work for Auto Trader so I got to see some of the cars when he photographed them, plus we'd regularly visit a collector dealer out near Simcoe (they had a '67 SD396 convertible for sale around 1983 but I didn't see it in person).

My point is, er, what was I going to say? In the words of Emily Litella (Gilda Radner), 'Nevermind!'

 



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Actually I just remembered where I was going with this. When you mentioned about buying the Camaro in Woodstock from a guy whose partner ran the Montego, would that be either Sandy Elliott or Barry Poole?

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CdnGMfan wrote:

Actually I just remembered where I was going with this. When you mentioned about buying the Camaro in Woodstock from a guy whose partner ran the Montego, would that be either Sandy Elliott or Barry Poole?


The  white Montego convertible 428 SCJ DragPak was owned by Gary Perry still of Woodstock. It was a NHRA record holder. He had Ford of Canada sponsorship and did well finacially. His brother Tim(Red) Perry had the Black Montego. Tim & I were just talking about the good old days before Christmas. The convert. is still in Woodstock hiding. I had the matching 428 SCJ Mercury Cyclone fastback that was also built up but hardly ever seen track duty. It was redone with a 427 with the Nascar 3X2 bbl 406 intake and a set of SCJ reworked heads. I got it from the guy who had the legendary Don Henderson of Burford build the engine. The owner then put it in the Pure Stock class with bias ply tires which he smoked the full lenght of the track except for a few feet when it went sideways. He scared himself so bad that was the last time the car was ran. He parked it in a small garage on the west end of Woodstock and only took it to Burford once a year to let Henderson set it up and beat on it for a bit, then back into storage. After 15 -20 years of this Doug finally admitted the car was too much for him and wanted to trade me for my Triumph TR 6 and some cash. The car was truly a weapon and very difficult to hang onto. I sold it before it killed me. It also still sits in storage in Woodstock. Small world, eh?

 



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Also the "Wild Child" came to Woodstock were it was renamed the "Golden Boy" by a local owner.
The 427 race engine in that car was a local legend and the owner traded the engine for a large chunk of prime real estate. I think he blew it up shortly afterward? The land he traded for ended up selling for big bucks and had a factory built on it, and now is the home of Zehr's Supermarket

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my friend tom wood also a factory ford sponsored racer now owns barry pools 69 428 super drag pack car with 19,000 miles on it, its a fast back but i cant remember if its a gt a mach 1 or plain jame. its a small world. i collect 428 cj and scj cars and still have barbara edens 69 428 cj ac auto mach1, i just loved that yes master thing lol

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