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The factory welded a bracket assembly to the frame near the cowl to support the column shift linkage:

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I want to remove this bracket, because (a) it is not needed since I am using a floor shift and (b) to clean up unnecessary clutter in the engine compartment (which will be much more croweded with the big block V8 than it was with the old straight 6, e.g., might need more clearance for headers). I do not want to leave it there so some theoretical future owner can convert the car back to column shift, that is not an issue, it is now a floor shift car, period.

The question is, what is the best way to remove the bracket? I am most concerned with the rod sticking out of the bracket, but also the portion of the bracket that sticks up above the frame. Ideally the whole bracket would be removed but that is not essential.

Rule out using a torch. I don't have one and would not want to risk getting things too hot near the floor, steering, etc.

My first thought was to use my trusty sawzall to cut off the rod. So that is option #1.

Then, once the old motor was removed and I had plenty of room to work in the engine compartment, I thought maybe drill out the 3 penetrating welds and remove the whole bracket. Not sure how big the holes will have to be, at least 3/8" and maybe 1/2" to cut through all the weld. (Not enough room to chisel off the bracket since it is slightly recessed into the frame.) So that is option #2.

But rather than risk weakening the frame with holes, maybe I should use my trusty sawzall and cut off the bracket level with the top of the frame, leaving the welded-on part. So that is option #3.

What do you think would be the best option?

Thanks,
Dave

UPDATE - skip to the end to find the result, eh?

Dave

-- Edited by davelacourse on Wednesday 14th of July 2010 04:36:52 PM

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drill out the welds dave is the cleanest way. stop short of going into the frame, work up to a large 1/2" bit, then a couple good whacks with a hammer should free it up.

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Yup, I'd drill it too, but do youself a favor and but a Blair Rota-broach spotweld/hole cutter, way faster.

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 Yup! Times 3.....smile

-- Edited by 67Poncho on Friday 2nd of July 2010 01:06:08 PM

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Drill it and if the hammer don't work , put a pry bar in and then hit that with a hammer

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Before I read all your suggestions, I had my mind made up and I would be cutting it off as per #3 suggestion. The other methods require more time and in the end, it doesn't matter if the welded piece is left on the frame. No one will see it there.

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I agree!!

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Drill baby drill!!

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Thanks guys - anybody else want to weigh in? (bump)

Dave

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Hang a Tiki head from it and forget about it.biggrin

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69Laurentian wrote:

Hang a Tiki head from it and forget about it.biggrin



Whoo! That's funny! Although maybe a little rubber shrunken head would be better? Nah, the heat from the headers would melt it ...

Dave



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Mike Holmes has a saying, "Glue it and screw it"!
Darryl has a saying, "Drill it and fill it"!

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Just cut it off flush biggrinbiggrin   Then you will always be able to identify your old car...  like a birth mark

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drill it and clean it up. looks nicer even if only you can see it

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My immediate thought was a large drill bit and as stated, stop when you get to the frame. I've done other pieces similar to that using that technique and after a couple of shots with the hammer and chisel, a quick grind will make it look like it was never there.

Easy for me to say, 2000 miles away, eh???!!!

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Drill out the spot welds, make a nice clean job....you know its there even if 95% of the others don't notice. Plus you will never snag your sleeve or skin on it trying to pick up that bolt that's fallen and wedged itself between the header tubes.....Eh?

-- Edited by Islander on Monday 5th of July 2010 11:17:07 PM

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Majority rules - I drilled it smile.gif

That plus a couple of mighty whacks with my BFH and off it came.

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A little grinding on the remaining weld and it looks OK (still have to finish prep and paint the frame).

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To my surprise, I did not drill into the frame, and only a little bit through the bracket at the very point of the drill - I guess it was just enough to take the strength out of the welds. Used a 3/8" drill bit, slightly smaller than the holes in the bracket.

Anybody need a column-shift bracket? smile.gif

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Good Job

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427carl wrote:

Just cut it off flush biggrinbiggrin   Then you will always be able to identify your old car...  like a birth mark


Sorry I did not use the 'cut it off' approach, Carl, but I leave a little bit of the weld marks so there will be 3 'birth marks' on my old car, eh?

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That will do... 

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perfect! wink

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Well done.

Yes, spot welds get well weakened if you get rid of most of the weld.

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