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Tilt steering columns-sadder but wiser


Howdy guys, for your info a 66 chevy tilt steering column will not bolt into a 66 Canadian Pontiac (even though most of the car is based on a chevy chassis) so don't try like I did.

Especially don't get all enthusistic and buy one on ebay.

Below are some pictures of my original non tilt column at the top, the 66 chevy column in the middle and a correct (weathered) tilt column from a 65 Pontiac (same as 66)

The  Chevy column is shorter, and will not fit the dash chrome molding of the 65 or 66 Pontiac.

Luckily for me my brother, who had been hoarding this column for his 65 409, decided to go the purist route and leave his muscle car original and took pity on me with my big sad eyes.

So I have a beat up tilt column I know will fit and  I seem to have a spare 66 chevy one that I may rob a few parts from and then try to sell off.

Kind of an expensive way to figure things out.

Its quite possible that an amercian  66 Pontiac tilt column would fit a Canadian Poncho but I don't intend to invest any more money to find out.

Hope this might help somebody.

Que sera sera



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I put a 66 Caprice tilt telescopic column in my 4 speed GP around 1985 Ken. I had to cut a bunch of the tube away to make it fit the dash, so I can relate.

Boy, I wish you would have asked me before you bought the Chevy column. I could have spared you some grief and saved you some money...

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Like I said Carl it was fit of enthusiam.  Its not like I won't be able to flog it to some Chevy guy.

I should have known to consult the guru though.  I don't want to screw up your future car.



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39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

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1994 Impala SS (temporary, according to my wife)



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yes, thank you for this post.

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thanks for the post, I've considered buying a tilt console shift column from a 69 Impala for my car. 

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No problem Jim i ended up with one i can rebuild (I think) and one i can sell so it's all good!

I guess I just guessed wrong on the appllication.



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39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS (temporary, according to my wife)



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seventy2plus2 wrote:




thanks for the post, I've considered buying a tilt console shift column from a 69 Impala for my car. 




Great info post on the 66 difference,  how far do these differences run? Thru 68? 

I'd love a tilt in my 67.



Clint,

 I believe 69 Impala should work in the 69 and Canadian Built 70 Cp B bodies. I've examined both side by side and them look absolutely identical.

 If you need some measurements or pictures I have a 69 Tilt column, but column shift. I have both tilt and non tilt out of car for comparison.

 



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To the top... for carl



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39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS (temporary, according to my wife)



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Ididit column for 67 Chevelle fit Beaumont...



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I guess it depends on the dash and how it is configured.  66 Pontiac is a lot different than 66 Chevy dash full size anyway)



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38 Willys pickup electric

39 Buick (327 with 700 r4)

66 Beaumont 4 door hardtop

69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS (temporary, according to my wife)



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I wonder if that '66 Chevy column would fit a '66 A-Body....

I am 6'3" @ 260 lbs and getting my legs in under the steering wheel is always a pain. I have considered an upgrade to a tilt, but was going to add the knuckle (as in '67, to allow the column to collapse in an accident) if/when I made the change.

If this column would fit a Chevelle or Beaumont, it might have a bigger market and you might get your money back out fairly easily. Just a thought...

 

Another thought - would it fit your car if you added the knuckle from a '67 or later car? You'd get the tilt and better safety.



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66 Beau wrote:

I am 6'3" @ 260 lbs and getting my legs in under the steering wheel is always a pain.


 Hey Wes, have you ever unbolted your seat/seat track, and rebolted it in it's furthest position? I'm doing that when I reinstall it. You gain a couple inches.

It's tight and I'm only 6'1", 215.



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Darryl
Good suggestion. Now you mention it I recall doing exactly that on other A-bodies (20+ years ago). Not sure why I didn't on this one. But way back when, authenticity and originality didn't get much consideration. No one but me would notice if I moved the seat if I can hide the holes in the carpet.
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66 Grande guy wrote:

I guess it depends on the dash and how it is configured.  66 Pontiac is a lot different than 66 Chevy dash full size anyway)


 Correct! Ding ding ding...



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CdnGMfan wrote:
66 Grande guy wrote:

I guess it depends on the dash and how it is configured.  66 Pontiac is a lot different than 66 Chevy dash full size anyway)


 Correct! Ding ding ding...


 It is funny how that is in '66 because the '67's are not like that! I have a '67 Caprice Wagon tilt in my'67 Grande Wagon.... Just bolted in!

 Guess that's why '67 Pontiacs were the tops of user friendly design.... (And looks too of course!!!!)



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67Poncho wrote:
CdnGMfan wrote:
66 Grande guy wrote:

I guess it depends on the dash and how it is configured.  66 Pontiac is a lot different than 66 Chevy dash full size anyway)


 Correct! Ding ding ding...


 It is funny how that is in '66 because the '67's are not like that! I have a '67 Caprice Wagon tilt in my'67 Grande Wagon.... Just bolted in!

 Guess that's why '67 Pontiacs were the tops of user friendly design.... (And looks too of course!!!!)



-- Edited by 67Poncho on Wednesday 23rd of November 2011 12:07:54 PM


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69 Chevy CST pickup

1976 GMC 23'  motorhome

1994 Impala SS (temporary, according to my wife)



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My Ididit colunm was ordered for a '66 Impala and it fit perfectly.It's the only thing that I didn't have a problem with!! I'm really impressed with the way it fit.It looks like it came with the car from new.

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66 Grande guy wrote:

  I don't want to screw up your future car.


 I was just reading through an old thread from Ken started over 12 years ago. Your crystal ball was working pretty good it seems!



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Just as an fyi, my 63 stock column is from a 63 impala 4 speed car, 100% identical, including stamped part numbers, except for the trim piece for the Pontiac dash. The tilt for 63 was also identical, I sold one from a Pontiac to a 63 Chevy guy. The Chevy 63 assembly manual tilt wheel showed all the same parts.

The parts for the powerglide and 3 on the tree columns were also very much the same in 63.

The 63 Pontiac and Chevy dashes also are very different. Seems strange GM would make tilts different for 66, but the same in before and after years.

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Ive got a 67 Lemans convertible and had purchased a floor shift 67 GTO tilt column and was told i would need an intermediate steering shaft to complete??

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Needing help  The red column is was just remove from my 1966 parisienne floor shift. I purchased the black tilt that was to be out of a 1966 parisienne floor shift. It did have a parisienne steering wheel on it. the problem is the wiring ? My safety switch is on floor shifter. What do i have ??   Thanks much Fred

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Hi Fred. Welcome from downtown Morris Manitoba! Good to see you here on Canadian Poncho.

Your safety switch will stay on the floor. All you need is the short adapter harness that comes off the tilt column. It converts the triangular shaped connector that fits into the tilt to the horseshoe style your regular floor shift column uses. 

Carl



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Like this-

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Thanks much Carl. Info much appreciated . U and family have a very good new year.

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Same for you Fred. Stay in touch! Either here or Messenger is fine.

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