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I have a 1965 Beaumont SD.  I have a non numbers matching 327 powerglide in the car right now.  My problem however is that I have been offered a 383 turbo 400 for 5500 dollars.  I am interested in have more horse but am also interested in keeping the original engine tranny set up to keep the original look and feel.  My question is, do you think I should keep the 327 or change to the 383?

-- Edited by Hegedus1000 on Saturday 12th of March 2011 09:09:03 PM

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1. Do you race car? 
2. Do you have a extra $5500.00?
3. Its your choice
4. Parked at cruise night, we can't tell which engine is which..  
5.Don't do it ...
6. keep $5000.00
7. Send me $500.00

-- Edited by 427carl on Saturday 12th of March 2011 09:12:57 PM

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if its not the orig 327, its not the orig 327 right? so therfore it doesnt really matter, its your decission to build it your way. its you that will be driving it.

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How many hp. is the 383?

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no substitution for cubic inches. once an engines been bored the longevity and dependability comes into question. do you know the builder of the 383 stroker

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Remove all the SD crome and send it to me. That will make it faster. Can you post some pictures of the car and the cowl tag.

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427carl wrote:


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1. Do you race car? 
2. Do you have a extra $5500.00?
3. Its your choice
4. Parked at cruise night, we can't tell which engine is which..  
5.Don't do it ...
6. keep $5000.00
7. Send me $500.00

-- Edited by 427carl on Saturday 12th of March 2011 09:12:57 PM



What he said......send me $500 too.

 



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I struggled with the same dilemma for the last 2 years trying to decide whether to keep the original 350 (which runs like new) in my Laurentian or to swap a BBC. I finally got fed up with myself and have decided to do the swap. The worse case scenario is I hate it and put the 350 back in..

If you can afford the motor, give it a go.


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As said, it's your car. Build it the way you want it and the way you will enjoy it. This also means enjoying it because you can afford the way you built it.

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I really want to keep the classic feel. How would a done up 327 powerglide perform against a budget built 383 turbo 400 (wish I could say what s in it guessin nothing to fancy

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Hegedus1000 wrote:

I really want to keep the "classic feel".

 

 

How would a done up 327 powerglide perform against a budget built 383 turbo 400 (wish I could say what s in it guessin nothing to fancy



Depends on how you drive it!!   Cruising to shows, and back home, would not notice the differenceno

Want to smoke the tires, and run up through the gears, and race it... 
The 383 is a little better.. 

"Most" of the cars on the site are never driven aggressivly......

 



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I think that if I was to change the size I would go all out and get a big block.  I have guys tellin me to go with the stroker and save the 327 in the corner of my garage but that doesn t make any sense

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thats what i would do. put it under the bench for another day.

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427carl wrote:

 

Hegedus1000 wrote:

I really want to keep the "classic feel".

 

 

How would a done up 327 powerglide perform against a budget built 383 turbo 400 (wish I could say what s in it guessin nothing to fancy



Depends on how you drive it!!   Cruising to shows, and back home, would not notice the differenceno

Want to smoke the tires, and run up through the gears, and race it... 
The 383 is a little better.. 

"Most" of the cars on the site are never driven aggressivly......

 

 




The 383 would be a world of difference compared to the 327. Like others have said, if you can afford it, do it, you only live once. The 327 can sit on a stand until you are ready to put it back to original. Heck, the 3 speed auto will even make the 327 feel like a different engine.

I have to edit my post. My opinion depends on that particular 383 being a good engine.


-- Edited by JerryA on Sunday 13th of March 2011 12:19:12 AM

-- Edited by JerryA on Sunday 13th of March 2011 12:27:56 AM

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I am sure the 383 will make that car rip but you should think about what you want to do with the car. A lot of 383 won't run on a mechanical fuel pump because they are fuel pigs. You might have a electric fuel pump , a return line to the tank, and might have to run gauges to moniter fuel pressure so you don't lean the motor out. Personally your car looks great in the photo and probably gets 20 MPG on the Hwy so why would you mess with it. If anything change out the powerglide for a th350 because that will make that car jump. I would love to see more pictures!

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For $5500 I would expect more than a mild 383! It better have good components, even a roller drivetrain at that price....assuming this is a used engine? How fast do you want to go? Are you willing to do suspension mods and buy some drag radials?? If not, having lots of power is not all that useful, you won't be able to put it to the ground. Cubic inch's is generally the way to go... the 383 all things being equal will out perform the 327. There are some nice 327 combos out there, but be prepared to spin it high and reduce the longevity of that engine to put out what the 383 will do at lower rpm. I'd say if you want to run solid 11 or low 12's you are better off with a new combo...

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65sssd wrote:

I am sure the 383 will make that car rip but you should think about what you want to do with the car. A lot of 383 won't run on a mechanical fuel pump because they are fuel pigs. You might have a electric fuel pump , a return line to the tank, and might have to run gauges to moniter fuel pressure so you don't lean the motor out. Personally your car looks great in the photo and probably gets 20 MPG on the Hwy so why would you mess with it. If anything change out the powerglide for a th350 because that will make that car jump. I would love to see more pictures!



Paul, there is no need for an electric fuel pump for a 383 or big block for that matter unless they are extreme builds. I used a carter 172 with my 406 and it was about 475hp. I have a holley mech. pump on my 496 which is close to 600hp and it has no problems feeding it. As far as being a fuel pig, it could be if you have a heavy right foot.. biggrin
The 3 speed auto will make the 327 feel like you gained a few ponies by itself though.

 



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Changing 1:1 automatics for other 1:1 automatics is a waste of time unless your present trans is shot. Put in a 3.73 gear and an overdrive and leave that engine alone.


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65sssd wrote:

I am sure the 383 will make that car rip but you should think about what you want to do with the car. A lot of 383 won't run on a mechanical fuel pump because they are fuel pigs. You might have a electric fuel pump , a return line to the tank, and might have to run gauges to moniter fuel pressure so you don't lean the motor out. Personally your car looks great in the photo and probably gets 20 MPG on the Hwy so why would you mess with it. If anything change out the powerglide for a th350 because that will make that car jump. I would love to see more pictures!



Paul, there is no need for an electric fuel pump for a 383 or big block for that matter unless they are extreme builds. I used a carter 172 with my 406 and it was about 475hp. I have a holley mech. pump on my 496 which is close to 600hp and it has no problems feeding it. As far as being a fuel pig, it could be if you have a heavy right foot.. biggrin
The 3 speed auto will make the 327 feel like you gained a few ponies by itself though.

 

 



I'm going off of a buddys 420 and his 383 but one is 500HP, the other is 600hp, and he drag races them so if your just around town the mechanical was fine but in a quarter mile he said it would lean out and GO BOOM! Both of his are pretty built so I imagine if you had a lesser one it would be fine. I persoanlly don't need that kind of HP and I'm not a mechanic so there's probably many ways to go with a 383.

 

 

I forgot to add MORE PICTURES PLEASE OF THAT 65 SD. PLEASE, PLEASE!!crycrycrycrycry



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I had the same dilemma you have. When I was 20 I had owned my Beaumont for 3 years and it came with a mild 350 that went ok. I had a chance to buy a bottom end of a 377 stroker of a friend of mine who is a engine builder. I bought it and got heads for it and thru in a solid lid ISKY cam in her. It was a great choice for me and there is nothing like pulling 7500 RPM before you shift her into second as I run a TH350. Its all up to you what are your plans for the car as 427Carl said. Gas aint getting cheaper but you only live once so I like to rever up and put a smile on my face. Just my 2 cents.... good luck
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65sssd - Is your friend running NOS? If yes, I suspect that may explain the 'leaning out' issue, and a 383 with 600 HP intended for the 1/4 mile is quite possibly getting a little help...


Back to the question. One of the nice things about the SBC is that they all look pretty much alike from the outside.

I am running a 350 in mine. The original 283 is wrapped up and stored under my workbench. Also stored away is the original powerglide. Of the two, swapping the PG out for a 700R4 made the biggest change in driveability. Lower first gear & overdrive make a huge difference off the line and on the freeway.

I agree with SD421. Put in some 373's and swap the PG for a 700R4 or 200-4R. You'll be amazed with the impact. Then pocket the difference. When you get tired of that, you can build a 383 (or buy a 400) and get another shot of performance. That will last a couple more years, then you'll be looking for a big block and you'll need a 12 bolt and a beefy trans and... No such thing as too much power.

I also agree with those who say "It's your car, do what you want".






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66 Beau wrote:

65sssd - Is your friend running NOS? If yes, I suspect that may explain the 'leaning out' issue, and a 383 with 600 HP intended for the 1/4 mile is quite possibly getting a little help...


Back to the question. One of the nice things about the SBC is that they all look pretty much alike from the outside.

I am running a 350 in mine. The original 283 is wrapped up and stored under my workbench. Also stored away is the original powerglide. Of the two, swapping the PG out for a 700R4 made the biggest change in driveability. Lower first gear & overdrive make a huge difference off the line and on the freeway.

I agree with SD421. Put in some 373's and swap the PG for a 700R4 or 200-4R. You'll be amazed with the impact. Then pocket the difference. When you get tired of that, you can build a 383 (or buy a 400) and get another shot of performance. That will last a couple more years, then you'll be looking for a big block and you'll need a 12 bolt and a beefy trans and... No such thing as too much power.

I also agree with those who say "It's your car, do what you want".





The 420 is 600HP naturally aspirated without NOS on a dyno. It's a beast. He has it in a 69 Z-28. He had to run electric pump with a diode to regulate the fuel pressure when he's not stepping on it because he doesn't have a return line to his gas tank. It's like a toilet bowl when he steps on it. Can you believe he drives it on the street.



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I agree with SD, put your $ into a 700R4 or 200R4, a set of gears and put the change into the 327 and you will have a great package. Then you will be set up to go 383 later and will have a great drivetrain to back it up.... build your own 383 unless you know the builder...

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my explanation is simple , even if the 327 is not the original engine , at least that was an available one in 65

and the potential is close to a bore out 350 .(383 )

keep it original , or original looking if the numbers dont match.

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