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Just trying to understand...


At the risk of sounding like the unknowing female...which I actually am

 

I sometimes get confused(natural state actually) about looking for parts for my car(Fannie).

 

Although she proudly carries a Pontiac emblem(with two maple leaves) on her grille. And boosts that she is a Canadian built Beaumont. I find that I usually have to consult Chev for parts.

 

Maybe because most of the parts that I have been searching for, so far, have been for her body so I guess that would fall under Chev since she has a Chevelle type body. Perhaps when I start looking for the machcanical parts I will be looking for Pontiac? Of course I'm hoping I won't need to many of those parts. But I know we'll be replacing the usual stuff like brakes, hoses, etc.

 

I guess that's why most people turn to forums like this for a little guidance. Surely my Pontiac Beaumont Chevelle type wagon isn't the only confused brand out there?

 

 I guess what I don't understand is...why is my car considered a Pontiac at all, I don't understand where Pontiac factors into the scenario?

 

When I explain to folks who ask "Beaumont, Beaumont what is that?" I refer to a Chevelle and they instantly know what I'm talking about. But then I read something like this...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mikesbig429/1393188522/

 

...I don't know???

 

I'm going to figure out what an "A" and "H" platform is.

 

Anyway, I'm just trying to get a better understanding and a little back ground as to why and how this breed came to be. So any small amount of info that you could share, that I can get my brain around would be helpful. And maybe there is no other explaination...it is what it is.

 

Thanks in advance.



-- Edited by Jennifer and Wayne on Wednesday 28th of September 2011 07:50:00 AM

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not as sure about 68 and 69 stuff.. but..
chevelle body and drive line with pontiac "accents" for aesthetics is how I explain the whole chev/pontiac beaumont thing. Sold at pontiac dealerships, but without any pontiac drive lines... it's always a debate about being a "1/2 and 1/2 car"
glad to see you have one, and asking questions here is a good place to do it... some sites seem to "blast" you for asking such questions.

you'll get more replies I'm sure. but that was my 2 cents.



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big mike pretty well descibed it in your link

Jennifer and Wayne wrote:


I'm going to figure out what an "A" and "H" platform is.



 
"X" platform is the chevy II design (i think) and A is the chevelle body style.  such as my 63 beaumont wagon looks like a chevy II " X platform" and your wagon looks like a chevelle "A platform". clear as mud?

The General Motors A platform (commonly called A-body) was a mid-size car automobile platform.

The rear-wheel drive X-body underpinned the Chevrolet Nova and similar cars of the late 1960s and 1970s

wikipedia has a good article on the acadian link



-- Edited by Stephenzone on Wednesday 28th of September 2011 08:51:18 AM

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Always, always, always,  ask for Chevrolet chevelle/malibu parts when you are at a parts store.   The entire car is a chevelle thru and thru.   Except for the above mentioned trim and of course the Dash.

If you tell a parts guy to get Beaumont parts, they will look at you strange and try to convince you that the parts are different.

If you ask for pontiac parts, they they will be american pontiac and totally wrong for the car.



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The reason that many people consider these cars Pontiac's is because they were sold exclusively at Pontiac dealers throughout Canada. It has been pointed out may times that you will not find the word Pontiac anywhere on the car however as you note the arrowhead emblem is prominent. Pontiac did not place their name on Bonnevilles and Grand Prix's either.

GM Canada made a business decison based on prohibitive import tarriffs and did nto sell/ import the A body Tempest/Lemans line into Canada until 1970 choosing instead to build a car for Pontiac to sell based on te Chevelle. For buyers who wanted an American model many dealers would import the cars at added cost. The added benefit of making an exclusive car for Pontiac to sell was that it created jobs in Canada and utilized high quality parts made in Canada, such as the McKinnon engines from St. Catherines.



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All the original paperwork on my car tells me to have it serviced at my local "Acadian Dealer". It also refers to General Motors of Canada. Nothing anywhere about Pontiac.

BUT

The dealership was a General Motors dealer and my registration says Pontiac Beaumont.

Is it a Pontiac? As far as I can tell, no one knows for sure. There was an Acadian Motors Division of General Motors of Canada - or at least there are publications that reference it. I don't know if such a division actually existed beyond some internal paperwork at GM Canada. A person should be able to do a search on Company names. However, try convincing the person at Motor Vehicles that the Manufacturer of your car is "Acadian" and the model is Beaumont. Good luck with that. Let me know how you make out....

Has anyone ever seen a dealership sign that said it was an "Acadian" Dealer? I'd be curious if they actually had signs that said "Pontiac-Buick-Acadian-GM Trucks".

Regardless of what you call it. 99.5% of the parts are Chevrolet. About 0.3% are pieces borrowed from the GTO and the other 0.2% are Beaumont specific.

Anything mechanical is Chevelle. Interiors are a mix of Chevelle and GTO and some Beaumont emblems (and radio plates). Grilles, bumpers, signal lights, emblems and most side trim are often Beaumont but Chevelle pieces often work (but you may be missing things like back-up lights).

Makes the whole thing more interesting than owning a one of 400,000 chevelles...

I'm curious about the Bonnevilles and Grand Prix's. Did the Warranty Booklet/Owner's Manual refer you to a Pontiac Dealer - or just a General Motors dealer?

For the record, I really don't care if it's a Pontiac or not. I just enjoy learning about the history and so far I am not convinced anyone knows for certain. (I'm assuming Todd won't revoke my membership either way.)


PS - One of the great things about this site is we can have this discussion without starting a flame war.



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When I asked the same Question a few years ago this what I got from http://cdnclassics.chevelles.net/chevfaq.html

What the hell is a "Beaumont"?

The Beaumont is the Canadian Pontiac sister car to the Chevelle. Now to end the dispute they are not, repeat not "Canadian Chevelles" The Beaumont is a separate car line that shares alot of its componets with the Chevelle and the Ponitac LeMans, Tempest, GTO. To further confuse our American friends the Pontiac Beaumont used a complete Chevrolet frame and drive train, which differs from their American counterparts the LeMans, Tempest, GTO.

Beaumonts first started out as the sister car to the Chevy II Nova in 1962 and continued as such until the introduction of the Chevelle in 1964. It is then the Beaumont made the move from the H-Body platform to the A-Body platform. Beaumonts were produced from 1962 to 1969 inclusive.

Hope this will add to your understanding.



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Here is one that shows Pontiac Acadian Buick and Vauxhall

 

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-- Edited by Beaumont4008 on Wednesday 28th of September 2011 01:04:57 PM

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in reply to    I'd be curious if they actually had signs that said "Pontiac-Buick-Acadian-GM Trucks

Here is another one with Acadian added to the sign.

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67custom has this original sign in his garage.  Lots of members would love to get there hands on this one.

 

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All my paperwork tells me to have my Cadillac DTS serviced at my Cadillac dealer HOWEVER the dealer I bought it at is City Chevrolet.

All my service manuals for my old Firebird say Firebird, no Pontiac anywhere to be found.

My sales brochures for my LeMans say printed by GM Canada.

In 1962 Dad bought Mom a car at Hogan Pontiac Buick and we called it a Pontiac Acadian.

Now I don't understand confuse



-- Edited by 73SC on Wednesday 28th of September 2011 02:29:42 PM

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I know there's not much chance of it happening, but if you ever brought your wonderful wagon to the old country you'd have to change her name.......................................

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jennifer and wayne, the (h) platform was the chevette/acadian and the monza,sunbird,starfire and buick had one in there too,just slipped my mind

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Beaumont4008 - thanks for those pictures.  I can almost remember the sign from my hometown and I thought there was an "ACADIAN" listed along with the Pontiac and Buick.

This is from the inside cover of the Owner's Manual for my Beaumont.

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Note the reference to the Acadian Dealer. 

Ray:

Does the Firebird manual refer to General Motors of Canada or ??

I have the Chassis manual it includes Ponchos - with no reference to "Acadian" in it.

So I'm confused too.



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I think the only way to clear this up is to find someone who worked in upper management at Oshawa during the time of Acadian and Beaumont and tell us whether General Motors felt it was Pontiac or a separate Marque.
The odds of finding such a person are slim.


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I see potential sales for this shirt....

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All I am trying to say is a lot of different things were written and understood. We are never going to settle this Acadian or Beaumont or Pontiac debate.

One thing that I would like to mention is that back then the midsize and compact cars were very new to the market.  Up until then cars were either Chevys or Pontiacs, they're we no A bodies or X bodies or whatever. I am old enough to have lived through this so this is first hand. In common everyday language the name Pontiac meant a big full sized car, Acadian meant a compact car and Beaumont meant a midsize car. All these cars were purchased at the same place, Usually a Pontiac Buick  Dealer but often it was a Pontiac Buick Acadian GMC dealer. I can't ever recall seeing a Beaumont dealer sign but I could be wrong.

The other thing to consider is that GM Canada was a huge company. Anyone who works in a large company knows that plenty of material is written and distrubuted that is different from what some other divison or department has done. Marketing might write copy to appeal to a certain segment but engineering would write a manual to repair the cars. We shouldn't put too much faith in assumig these things were all cross checked and controlled in a centralized place because they probably weren't.



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Yes the mystery lives on.  Personaly I think there was an atempt to market it as a separate Marque but with all those Pontiac styling Q's people just could not stop thinking it was a Pontiac model. I realy do not mind that it is thought of as a Pontiac as I always liked Pontiac over other GM makes and if it has to be lumped in with something why not Pontiac..



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Beaumont4008 wrote:

Yes the mystery lives on.  Personaly I think there was an atempt to market it as a separate Marque but with all those Pontiac styling Q's people just could not stop thinking it was a Pontiac model. I realy do not mind that it is thought of as a Pontiac as I always liked Pontiac over other GM makes and if it has to be lumped in with something why not Pontiac..


 Pretty much sums up my feelings too.   And I don't disagree with anything said so far.  I always learn something when this topic is discussed though and one day we might just discover someone from up high that can fill in the blanks.  Something tells me there could be some interesting stories.



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Just DON'T try to understand Jennifer.biggrin



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I think the only way to clear this up is to find someone who worked in upper management at Oshawa during the time of Acadian and Beaumont and tell us whether General Motors felt it was Pontiac or a separate Marque.
The odds of finding such a person are slim.


A friend of my wifes worked in advertising at gm in the 60 and 70's. she was one of the bosses. i asked her and she said acadian was lumped in with pontiac. made no difference to her she drives a cadillac.



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64PARCONUK wrote:

I know there's not much chance of it happening, but if you ever brought your wonderful wagon to the old country you'd have to change her name.......................................


 Hopefully the name wouldn't be "Firenza".........because that would dredge up some real past Pontiac memorieswinkLOL!



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Funny enough the Acadian and Beaumont styling changes were done by Pontiac design staff in Detroit. A couple of years ago the actual gentleman responsible for this spoke at POCI convention. He said his job was to make the Chevelle and Chevy II look as much as possible like a Pontiac. 



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Pontiacanada wrote:

Just DON'T try to understand Jennifer.biggrin


 biggrin Maybe your right.

 

First, thanks everyone for your comments.

 

Second, I just want to say that I have always loved these cars Beaumonts, Malibus, Chevelles, Acadians, Novas love them all, but Beaumont/Chevelle would be at the top. And '68 is my favorite model year. So to actually own one is a dream come true. Plus I never knew they came in a wagon. To me that makes Fannie even more special.

My goal here was to, as I said, gain a better understanding of my cars beginnings. I believe I am closer after your discussions. I never really understood how Pontiac factor in, that's all. 

My owners manuel states that the "GM mark of excellences appears on all Acadians and Beaumonts." No reference to Pontiac. I don't know if the dealer where she was sold was a Pontiac or Acadian or both. I only have the name, Yarmouth Motor Mart Ltd.

I guess there is one thing we all can agree on and that is Beaumonts are difinitly a unque breed that can evoke a healthy debate. Fannie's Pontiac emblem(with 2 maple leafes) is IMO one of her redeeming details and I wouldn't change it.

Thanks for the banter. smile



-- Edited by Jennifer and Wayne on Wednesday 28th of September 2011 10:02:33 PM

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