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NO ONE I KNOW CAN TELL ME FOR SURE  WITCH ENGINE WAS STOCK OR DID THEY HAVE BOTH ,THANKS GUYS



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Came with both



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yes i had a1971 lemans with a 350 chev engine



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Think it would depend where it was built???? Local fellow had a 70 Lemans with a US 'blue' block 350 & I know a few were swapped out to SBC as the parts are cheaper!! 70 was "unloaded" [ sold] when he realized it was a 1 yr. car for parts!!!!

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A friend had a 71 Lemans Sport many years ago. Oshawa built with 350 chev 2bbl 245 horsepower.



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My 72 was SBC equipped from the factory. I had to purchase the "supplement" manual for Orange engine cars

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In the Library I have posted the Oshawa built Owners manuals for many years cars. The 1971 LeMans is there. If the car was built in Canada for sale in Canada it would have recieved the 350 small block McKinnon Engine, a Chevrolet. In very rare cases a Canadian sold car might be sourced from a US plant, perhaps a Luxury LeMans with special options for example, then a blue Pontiac engine would have been installed.

Take the nose job LeMans cars for example, not made in Canada but sold in Canada by GM Canada, sourced from Pontiac MI and a blue 350 would be under the hoods. All LeMans ordered with a 400 or 455 would of course be Pontiac engines as the Small Block Chevy 400 was never offered in the LeMans line.

The stock engine in Lemans on either side of the border was of course  a 250 Chevrolet.

CLICK HERE for the Library and all engines used in Canadian cars.



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NO ONE I KNOW CAN TELL ME FOR SURE  WITCH ENGINE WAS STOCK OR DID THEY HAVE BOTH ,THANKS GUYS

 Well you should have asked here first biggrin

The intersting thing about my post in the Library is that in 1971 GM showed both Gross Horsepower ( fairyland) and Net horsepower (real world). Everyone who compares a 1969 car with a 1974 car horsepower should read this and understand that Net horsepower is about 70% of Gross. Next time someone says how gutless a 1972 350 was with 165 HP you can remind them it is exactly the same engine in 1971 with 245 GROSS HP.



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Did they ever install 454's in 1971  like they did in 1973  wink



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Here's a 71 Lemans in the shop coming apart this week. Canadian built with it's original orange 350 Chev 2bll. Snapped these pictures yesterday before it starts getting dissassembled.



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Here's a 71 Lemans in the shop coming apart this week. Canadian built with it's original orange 350 Chev 2bll. Snapped these pictures yesterday before it starts getting dissassembled.

 Parting it out I assume.



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73SC wrote:
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Here's a 71 Lemans in the shop coming apart this week. Canadian built with it's original orange 350 Chev 2bll. Snapped these pictures yesterday before it starts getting dissassembled.

 Parting it out I assume.

 Yes Ray, This one's a little on the crusty side of being a candidate for resto. Need the frame for another project. Seen it in a kijjiji ad uploaded here by B-52 and it was close to me.



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Like Ray said in very rare case the American blue 350-400-455 engine was installed in a Made in Oshawa Canada Lemans such as my 1972 Luxury Lemans Sport Coupe 400, only 33 were made.



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my 72 lemans had the sbc 350 2bl ,

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I've had a 71 and 72  with a chevy,, and a 72 with a pontiac...

 

could go either way...



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rabbit64cs wrote:

I've had a 71 and 72  with a chevy,, and a 72 with a pontiac...

 

could go either way...

It would be very rare for a 72 to be built in Ste. Therrese with a Pontiac engine for the Canadian Market, I'll say rare but I really mean next to non existent. As I mentioned a Canadian Sold car like a nose job LeMans only built in Pontiac would have had a blue 350. Car's were bult in Canada for export to the US and these export models would also have gotten the blue 350. It is possible that an export model found its way back accross the border after all these years. To complicate things early 1970 Tempest/LeMans got the Pontiac 350 when bulit in Oshawa and later a switch to Chevy was made.

I have had my 73 parked next to another Oshawa 73 exported to West Virginia for sale and the underhood differences are pronounced, The Pontiac equipped car has virtually everything reversed to the opposite of the compartment, battery, coolant overflow etc...



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Some of these Cdn. ponchos that go south are like the "snowbirds' Ray!! They keep coming back home, may have 'homing pidgeon jeans built into them???

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73SC wrote:
PMD-242 wrote:

NO ONE I KNOW CAN TELL ME FOR SURE  WITCH ENGINE WAS STOCK OR DID THEY HAVE BOTH ,THANKS GUYS

 Well you should have asked here first biggrin

The intersting thing about my post in the Library is that in 1971 GM showed both Gross Horsepower ( fairyland) and Net horsepower (real world). Everyone who compares a 1969 car with a 1974 car horsepower should read this and understand that Net horsepower is about 70% of Gross. Next time someone says how gutless a 1972 350 was with 165 HP you can remind them it is exactly the same engine in 1971 with 245 GROSS HP.

 Ray excellent comments on GROSS vs NET horse power ratings. It has always amazed me as well, that folks sometimes just do not get that reality. GM aswell as the other car makers finally got REAL with their true engine ratings as opposed to the "fantasy" ratings and that goes for ALL the car companies. Ray thanks for reminding all the good folks out here. Cheers. George.



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Thanks for all the replies i did not see this till now or i would have replied eailer, that answers a lot of questions i had , my couson has a 71 lemans with small block 350  2 barrel, was not sure it came stock , now i know thanks guys



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