The starter on my 6 cyl sounds like it's cross meshing,pulled it out last week and couldn't see anything wrong but still made a grinding noise when I put it back in and turned it over. Doesn't look like it's side to side crossed, just looks like the teeth might be meshing too deep. Don't recall ever seeing shims in any of the 60s 6 cyls I've torn apart? Maybe I should pull the inspection cover and look for bent ring gear while someone cranks the engine? Did they ever use shims? Thx Jim
Funny I can't remember ever seeing shims on a 6 cyl, Randy are you talking about the bollts with the knurl on the head side? I don't recall but I will see when I remove to put in shims.
I've been off work for a week and when I go back tomorrow it will likely be a zoo for a while (!!!) but let me know if your local store can't help you out.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
I know what it's like taking time off, seems like nothing ( or not much) gets done when your away. Hope you don't get swamped ! Will let you know if i can't source. Thanks
Right, the correct bolts are knurled. And the threads protrude slightly out of the starter housing so as not to crush the starter nose when tightened. Incorrect bolts can actually cause the starter drive teeth to mesh too deep.
Right, the correct bolts are knurled. And the threads protrude slightly out of the starter housing so as not to crush the starter nose when tightened. Incorrect bolts can actually cause the starter drive teeth to mesh too deep.
Thanks Randy
Thanks Randy, will stop by my dads on the way home and grab some proper ones just in case. Would 283/327 be the same bolts, vertical not horizontal(bell housing bolts)? Thx Jim
-- Edited by hawkeye5766 on Monday 28th of July 2014 01:39:19 AM
Picked up shims but couldn't find any bolts in all my junk, so I'm hoping the right ones are in the starter or I'll have to pick some up tomorrow. How do I know how many shims to put in? One at a time untill the noise stops or do you chalk the starter teeth to check for mesh? Thx Jim
The rule of thumb is, clearance for a paper clip, between the depth of the starter drive teeth and flywheel/flexplate teeth.
As Carl said, use the correct knurled bolts, and make sure they are snug in the housing, please don't skip this important item. Although it's a normal practice, I don't think I've ever shimmed a starter, I normally have some extra housings around, and try for a nice fit without shims.
I think those bolts fit pretty much all the 6's at least until the TH350 came along, and maybe even then too, I don't know if the 6 used the big or small flexplate.
For sure all small flywheel engines used that style starter for at least a decade. If you can't find bolts, hopefully you have a packrat car nut friend close by.
If not, let me know, I would sure think I have a few I can mail to you.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
Thanks for the response guys, will tackle tomorrow and have a few guys I think might have right bolts if mine are incorrect. Could I disconect bat lead on back starter ( clamp supply power and bat together ) and get someone to turn key to "s" to engage starter drive to measure? or is there an easier way?
