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Is there a definitive list.....


of standard....and optional equipment.....for 67-70 CDN 2 plus 2's?

 I have 67 and 68 showroom brochures....but they really don't get into the details....as I recall....



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I have a 1970 Potiac Accessories Brochure, and I think I have the 1969 version as well.    The brochure indicates which body styles the accessories are for.



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Canadian 2+2

In 1967, GM of Canada debuted the Parisienne 2+2, based on the Parisienne series that replaced the Parisienne Custom Sport from a year earlier. All Pontiacs manufactured and sold in Canada were unique from their U.S. counterparts as GM of Canada fitted re-proportioned US Pontiac bodies to the Chevrolet Impala chassis and drive trains.

Canadian purchasers of the 2+2 could therefore order any Chevrolet V8 engine option like the 283 and 327 in³ small-block engines, or the 396 and 427 in³ "Mark IV" big-block.

The trim options were slightly different as well, with Chevrolet's 15-inch Rally rims were used instead of a standard 14" steel rim  

A 250 cu in (4.1 L) 155 hp (116 kW; 157 PS) straight-6 engine was standard in 1967,

which meant that the Canadian 2+2 was a Parisienne with louvers, exterior and interior badges, as well as bucket seats and center console (which were options on the Parisienne) as "standard" equipment.



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I don't think there was a bucket/console option for the Parisienne as that article states. I bet you only got those on a 2+2.

And I've been wrong before.

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Back to the 15" Rally's....I'm pretty sure the 67 and 68 2 plus 2......is shown with full wheel discs.....in the Canadian Pontiac showroom brochures....which would lead me to believe that the Rally's were NOT standard equipment....as stated in the posted specs above..

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Only 1970 2+2's had rally wheels standard is my understanding of the factory brochures

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While going through the 67-70 brochures I noticed something that never caught my eye before, the 68 2 door grande Parisienne didn't have vent windows, a year later nod to the 67 GRand Prix hardtop not having them.

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North wrote:

While going through the 67-70 brochures I noticed something that never caught my eye before, the 68 2 door grande Parisienne didn't have vent windows, a year later nod to the 67 GRand Prix hardtop not having them.


Hmmm, might be similar to the 68 2 dr Impala having vent windows, but the 68 2 dr Caprice did not have vent windows. 



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North wrote:

While going through the 67-70 brochures I noticed something that never caught my eye before, the 68 2 door grande Parisienne didn't have vent windows, a year later nod to the 67 GRand Prix hardtop not having them.


That's correct...... 



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North wrote:

Only 1970 2+2's had rally wheels standard is my understanding of the factory brochures


 Guess what I was really looking for is a Canadian Pontiac order guide....or Dealer Album.....for the years in question...

 That would spell it out pretty clearly....Thought somebody on here might have one or more....

 I have them for most US built cars I collect...but know the Canadian ones are not so easy to find...



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I pass along my 1969 list, as much of it was still the same code in 1966 if available that year. Stolen from 1969Pontiac.com:

FEATURE GROUPS
(Any item contained in feature groups may be ordered separately)
Appearance Guard Group
INCLUDES:
(A) Door Edge Guards
All 2-Door Models
All 4-Door Models B93
(B) Color-Keyed Floor Mats, 2 Front, 2 Rear (All Models) B37
(C) Visor Vanity Mirror (All Models) D34 D34
For 4-Door Sedans and Hardtops
Includes A, 8 and C ZP5
For 2-Door Sedans, Coupes and Convertibles
Includes A, B and C ZP5
For Safari and Safari Deluxe
Includes A, B and C ZP5
For Safari Custom and Estate
Includes B and C ZP5
Decor Group
INCLUDES:
(A) Door and Window Frame Molding B90
(B) Rear Fender Skirts T58
(C) Wheel Covers (All models except Grande Parisienne and Estate Wagon) PQ1
For Strato-Chief, Laurentian, Safari and Safari Deluxe
Includes A and C ZQ1
For Parisienne
Includes B and C ZQ1
For Parisienne
Includes B and C ZQ1
For Safari Custom
Includes C ZQ1
NOTE: All equipment in this group must not be ordered on Grande Parisienne or Estate Wagon
Operating Convenience Group
INCLUDES:
(A) Electric Clock (Standard on Parisienne and Estate Wagon) U35
(B) LH Outside Remote-Control Rearview Mirror (All Models) D33
(C) Rear Window Defroster C50
All models except convertible and Wagons C50
For Parisienne and Estate Wagon
Includes B and C ZQ2
All other models
Includes A, B, and C ZQ2
Power Teams
Engines
See Power teams chart for complete engine specifications, model and transmission availability
300-hp Astro-Flash 350-4 bbl L48
265-hp Astro-Jet 396-2 bbl L66
335-hp Astro-Jet 427-4 bbl LS1
390-hp Astro-Jet 427-4 bbl -Dual Exhaust L36
Transmissions-See Power Teams chart for availability
Powerglide, V8 models M35
Powerglide, 6 cylinder models M35
Turbo Hydra -Matic- exc 396 & 427 M40
w/396 & 427 M40
3-Speed HD Must specify LS1, L66, L48 or L36 MC1
4-Speed (Wide-Range) M20
Axle-Safe-T-Track Rear (Do not specify B02) G80
Power Assists
Brakes, Power J50
Brakes-Disc-type, front (15" tires must be specified) J50/J52
Door Lock System, Power:
2-door models A93
4-door models A93
Seat, Power-6-way control; front seat
Not available with 4-speed transmission, bucket seats or Strato-Chief models A42
Steering, Power
Strato-Chief, Safari, Laurentian, Safari Deluxe N40
Parisienne, Safari Custom, 2+2, Grande Parisienne & Estate Wagon N40
Trunk Release (Electric) A90
Windows, Electric
Not available on Strato-Chief models A31
Window, Electric Tailgate
2-seat wagons (std in 3-seat) A33
Other Options
Air Cleaner-HD, Dual Stage Element
Available only on 6-cylinder models
Not available when automatic level control shock absorbers are ordered K45
Air Conditioning, Four Season C60
Includes 63-amp Delcotron, heavy-duty radiator and temperature-controlled radiator fan. V8 only.
Air Conditioning, Automatic Temperature Control C75
(C60 must be specified)
Battery, Heavy Duty T60
66-plate, 70 amp-hr
Belts, Seat and Shoulder: In addition to or replacing standard belts.
Standard Style Shoulder Belts
Convertible Only -
2 front AS1
2 front, 2 rear AS1/AS5
All models except convertibles
2 rear AS5
Custom Deluxe Belts
Seat and Should Belts
Coupes with bucket seats - 5 seat and 2 shoulder ZK3
Coupes and Sedans with full-width seats - 6 seat and 2 shoulder ZK3
Seat Belts Only
Convertible with bucket seats - 5 seat A39
Convertible with full-width seat - 6 seat A39
Shoulder Belts Only
Convertible (requires option A39)
2 front A85
2 front, 2 rear A85/AS4
All models except Convertible (Requires option ZK3)
2 rear AS4
Carpet, Load Floor
Safari Custom and Estate Wagon B39
Clock, Electric
(std. on Grande Parisienne and Estate Wagon) B39
Clutch, Heavy Duty Dual Plate
Must specify L48, LS1, L36 or L66 MA6
Closed Positive Engine Ventilation
Heavy Duty KD5
Defogger
Rear Window
All models except Wagons and Convertibles C50
Station Wagons and Convertibles C50
Engine Coolant, maximum protection Z45
Exhaust, Dual
Available only with Optional V-8 engine (std. with Optional L36) N10
Fan, Radiator
Temperature controlled. Included when Air Conditioning is ordered K02
Fender Skirts, Rear
Parisienne Only (Std on 76637-76639) T58
Generators
63 amp Delcotron - w/C60 K85
Except C60 K85
42 amp Delcotron. Not available when Air Conditioning is ordered K79
Glass, Soft Ray Tinted
All windows A01
Windshield only A02
Guard, Door Edge
2-Door models B93
4-Door models B93
Heater, Engine block K05
Light, monitoring system
Except station wagons U46
Lighting Group: Includes
A - Glove Compartment Light
B - Luggage Compartment Light
C - Courtesy Lights
D - Ash Tray Light
E - Underhood Light
F - Map Light (on Rear View Mirror)
G - Combination Warning Lamp: "Low Fuel", "Seat Belt", "Headlamps Left On"
Strato-Chief - Includes A, B, C, D, E, F and G ZJ9
Safari - Includes A, C, D, E, F and G ZJ9
Laurentian - Includes B, C, D, E, F and G ZJ9
Safari Deluxe and Custom - Includes C, D, E, F and G ZJ9
Parisienne Sedans and Coupes and 2+2 Coupes - Includes C, D, E, F and G ZJ9
Grande Parisienne and Safari Estate Wagon - Includes E, F, and G ZJ9
Lock, Rear Compartment
2 seat wagons only A96
Mats, Heavy Duty Floor
Strato-Chief, Laurentian, Safari and Safari Deluxe models.
Replace Carpet
Front (Do not specify B02, M20) B34
Rear (Do not specify B02, M20) B35
Mats, Rubber, color-keyed front and rear B37
Mirror, Remote Control - Outside L.H. D33
Mirror, Visor Vanity - Passenger Side D34
Molding, Body Side
Strato-Chief and Safari only B84
Molding, Door and Window Frame
Strato-Chief, Laurentian, Safari and Safari-Deluxe B90
Molding, 2-tone paint
Except Convertibles and Estate Wagons
Mandatory with 2-tone paint and not recommended on solid colors or sport coupes
2-Door Models D99
4-Door Models D99
Molding, Roof Drip
All Strato-Chief, Safari, Parisienne Sedans and Safari Custom B80
Paint, Two-Tone
Radiator, Heavy Duty
Included when Air Conditioning is ordered V01
Radio Equipment
Radios, Pushbutton - With Front Antenna
AM Radio U63
AM/FM Radio U69
AM/FM Stereo Radio U79
Stereo Tape Player (requires U63 or U69) U57
Antenna, Rear - Not available on Wagons U73
Speaker, rear seat (included with U57 or U79) U80
Roof Cover, Vinyl
For Sedans and Coupes Only
Black, Parchment, Dark Blue, Dark Fawn or Dark Green C08
Seat, Strato-Back
Includes center armrest
Grande Parisienne Sedan and Coupe only A53
Seats, Strato Bucket
Grande Parisienne Coupe only
Includes center console and console-mounted control when automatic or 4-spd transmission
is ordered. A51
Seat Cushion, Extra-Thick Foam
For Strato-Chief, Safari, Laurentian, and Safari Deluxe models only
Front B55
Seats, Heavy-Duty
Strato-Chief, Safari, Laurentian and Safari Deluxe models only
Front
2-Door sedans A75
4-Door sedans and wagons A75
Rear
Sedan models only A76
Shock Absorbers, Rear
Superlift - Special Performance Suspension not available G66
Superlift - Automatic level control (G66 required, K45 not available) G67
Speed Control, Cruise Master
V8 engine models only. Available only when automatic transmission is ordered.
Not available when automatic level control is ordered. K30
Speed Warning Indicator U15
Steering Wheel, Comfortilt
Available only when automatic or 4-speed transmission is ordered N33
Suspension, Heavy Duty Front and Rear
Not available on wagons or when taxi equipment is ordered.
With 155hp, 250-hp engine F40
With 265hp, 300hp, 335hp or 390hp engine F40
Suspension, Special Purpose Front and Rear
Available only when L36 is ordered. Includes special springs, matching shock absorbers
special front and rear stabilizers (B02 or G66 must not be specified) F41
Taxi Equipment - Extra Duty
Strato-Chief and Laurentian 4-Door Sedans only
For use only with 155-hp or 250-hp engines and 3-speed, Powerglide or Turbo Hydra-Matic
transmissions. Not available with air conditioning. Includes HD front and rear seats, HD
front and rear floor mats, HD shock absorbers, HD front and rear springs, HD clutch (with
L6 engine), 42 amp Delcotron, HD radiator when Powerglide transmission is ordered on
six-cylinder models, dome lamp switches - all doors, open-door warning lamp, 3.07:1
rear axle ratio (standard), 3.31 (optional), extra-thick brake facings, high temp. brake
shoes, additional heavy-duty engine components (L6 engine). Must specify tire option
Q04 or R51.
6 cyl. with Standard Transmission B02
6 cyl. with Automatic Transmission B02
8 cyl. Models B02
Wheel Covers
Standard on Grande Parisienne and 2+2 and Estate Wagons P01
Wheel Covers, Simulated Wire
14" wheels only
Grande Parisienne, Estate Wagon and 2+2 only N95
All others N95
Wheels, Rally
Includes special wheel, hub cap and trim ring
15" tires must be specified. Fender skirts must not be specified.
Grande Parisienne and 2+2 ZJ7
Strato-Chief, Laurentian and Parisienne models ZJ7
Preservice IJ6


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Dave,

What is the source of that list? Long as hell, makes me feel sorry for the assembly line guys trying to keep track of all that!

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It's from the mid-early 90s, when I first put up my website, so I don't actually recall. Odds are it's from the documentation that Vintage Vehicle Services sent out when I had the car documented about that time. Whether it's actual Pontiac information or recycled Chevrolet information is harder to know at this point.

Since the LowFuel-Belts-Lights option might be specific to Canadian Pontiacs, it might actually be the right list. But if Chevrolet offered that option too...



-- Edited by davepl on Thursday 15th of December 2016 02:16:31 PM

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Too bad no 69 ones haven't shown up yet. I looked for an hour last night trying to find the 1963 one I know I have but no luck so far.

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