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Anyone know this 68 Beaumont convertible


Hi Guys, haven't been in here for a while but have a line on a 1968 Beaumont Convertible in Alberta. The seller bought the car as is so wondered if anyone members here know the car? I have the data tag too which I 'think' I've decided to a 6 cylinder custom, but original color code of JJ has me stumped. I can post if it will help as I don't think any privacy issues since doesn't show VIN. Thoughts? Thanks in advance. https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/red-deer/1968-beaumont-convertible/1386877579

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IMG_7427.JPGHere's the proper link, hope it works this time. I believe the JJ colour is Rallye Green so not too sure about buying car that's been changed in colour??

Any info or comments is much appreciated as car is 11 hours away from me.

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/red-deer/1968-beaumont-convertible/1386877579?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true




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I see lots of members have viewed my post but unfortunately no responses yet. I would gladly pay for someone local to go have a look and give me their assessment. Seller has sent some videos but still hard to see exactly the quality of the body and paint etc. Car is in Sylvan Lake AB I believe and seller seems like an honest stand up guy so don't think he would have any issues with it. Thanks in advance for anything that anyone can offer.

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I hesitated to post as all I have to offer is my opinion and it's not completely positive.  But, maybe it'll get the conversation started.  So, with that in mind:

 

Firstly, I won't pretend to be an expert at reading GM tags, so I can't offer anything useful there.  I did find a 1968 GM paint chart that includes Canada elsewhere on this site, and JJ isn't listed there.  Don't know if that means it was added later in the year, or if it was special order or... maybe it's just not on this chart for some other reason?

https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t20188869/paint-chips/?page=1

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As for opinions about the car in question, remember this is just my opinion, but for me the home-made cowl hood would have to go - it just looks wrong to my eyes.  If you like it, then it's all good, but for a hot rod project like that I'd have to find an SS/SD 2-bump hood and then try to match the paint - not entirely impossible, but hard to do and then there's the extra $$ you have to spend to do it.  I'd even rather have a non-SD flat hood than what is on it.

In the first pic of the ad, the shadows make the body look a little wavy, but the pic is kind of small.  Lighter colours like this usually hide less-than-perfect bodywork pretty well in photos unless the lighting is just right, so an in-person inspection is a must.  Could be a Bondo bucket, or could be alright - hard to tell from the pics. 

Also, it's hard to tell from the pics (no rear or side views), but it looks like the rear side marker lights are not there (should be just in front of the bumper)?  If that's the case I'd want to know why they were removed (maybe a sign of bad bodywork).

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Overall, though, the car shows really well, but my tastes are more towards stock-looking with subtle go-fast stuff.  On that note, the tach stuck in the dash sticks out for me, but might be easy to relocate, as long as holes weren't drilled to mount it.  The seat material doesn't look right to me (is it velour?), but doesn't look horrible overall.

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On the plus side, big block and 4-speed with console are a huge bonus.  Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it may have an aluminum rad which is good for cooling, but I prefer stock-looking which spills over to the rest of the engine compartment (again, only my opinion...).

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Again, up-close inspection is a must to make sure it's not a patched up rustbucket.  I'm curious as to why he's asking $25K for the 454 4-speed '68, but $40K for his 283 SD... that might give you an idea of how he prices his cars and the comparative condition of both.

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Sorry for giving only my (negative) opinions, but hopefully it will get the conversation going.

One last opinion, then I'll shut up (lol).  If you are regretting selling your green Beaumont from your avatar, have you talked to the current owner to see if he would be interested in selling it back to you?  If I had a choice between the two cars, I'd take your green one over the yellow one any day of the week.  If I'm remembering this correctly, your green one was a nice original car that hadn't been messed with.

Hope this helps a little...

 



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In 1967 code JJ = Verde Green metallic. Unfortunately neither of my books goes to 1968.

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MC Thanks so much for taking the time to respond and don't worry about the negative comments, I'm certainly not offended (its not my car yet smile) and I wanted honest feedback.
The body condition and paint colour change were my biggest concerns.  He ended up sending me a video of the car, taking the time to point out a couple minor scratches and a tiny blemish/bubble on the bottom of the drivers door.  
The body did appear much less wavy in the video, which is a positive but the negative is I did confirm NO marker lights on the rear quarter panels, as you had suspected.   I did some quick checks and 68 Chevelles don't have those marker lights which makes me wonder if both sides had to be replaced and Chevelle panels were used?
I noticed it doesn't have the front grille spear nor the rear quarter scripts that should say Custom, and if it was a 6 cylinder is that anywhere on front quarters or only if V8 like my old 68 Green one had? Again brings to question the bodywork issue. 
I did find JJ (Rallye Green Poly) as a code for 1968 but only on Chevrolet products so that one is still a bit odd.confuse
I can't be sure but believe the new colour is Butternut Yellow?

 

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Lastly I did some digging and found the car was offered at the Edmonton Collector Car auction April 2018.  Amazing what you can find if you look hard enough.  The current owner said he paid $30,000 and admits he maybe paid too much lol (lol was his comment). 

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i didn't mind the interior (except for cheesy approach to making a console shift by just removing the column shifter.  A proper column would be on the must do list) and actually am okay with the unoriginal under hood look.  Motor sounded very nice and appears to have a 12 bolt rear Too.  

I'm still on the fence about what to do, and to answer your last question I am very much regretting selling my Green one.   The purchaser actually told me if I ever really wanted it back he would sell it back to me. I did approach him but as expected he is no longer willing to honour that statement....my own fault for sure as I would definitely take it over this one too.

I see he lowered price again to $23,000 so that tells me no one is running to snap this up, is that due to bad time for selling a convertible, or other reasons??

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I hesitated to post as all I have to offer is my opinion and it's not completely positive.  But, maybe it'll get the conversation started.  So, with that in mind:

 

Firstly, I won't pretend to be an expert at reading GM tags, so I can't offer anything useful there.  I did find a 1968 GM paint chart that includes Canada elsewhere on this site, and JJ isn't listed there.  Don't know if that means it was added later in the year, or if it was special order or... maybe it's just not on this chart for some other reason?

https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t20188869/paint-chips/?page=1

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As for opinions about the car in question, remember this is just my opinion, but for me the home-made cowl hood would have to go - it just looks wrong to my eyes.  If you like it, then it's all good, but for a hot rod project like that I'd have to find an SS/SD 2-bump hood and then try to match the paint - not entirely impossible, but hard to do and then there's the extra $$ you have to spend to do it.  I'd even rather have a non-SD flat hood than what is on it.

In the first pic of the ad, the shadows make the body look a little wavy, but the pic is kind of small.  Lighter colours like this usually hide less-than-perfect bodywork pretty well in photos unless the lighting is just right, so an in-person inspection is a must.  Could be a Bondo bucket, or could be alright - hard to tell from the pics. 

Also, it's hard to tell from the pics (no rear or side views), but it looks like the rear side marker lights are not there (should be just in front of the bumper)?  If that's the case I'd want to know why they were removed (maybe a sign of bad bodywork).

$_59.JPG

Overall, though, the car shows really well, but my tastes are more towards stock-looking with subtle go-fast stuff.  On that note, the tach stuck in the dash sticks out for me, but might be easy to relocate, as long as holes weren't drilled to mount it.  The seat material doesn't look right to me (is it velour?), but doesn't look horrible overall.

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On the plus side, big block and 4-speed with console are a huge bonus.  Can't tell for sure, but it looks like it may have an aluminum rad which is good for cooling, but I prefer stock-looking which spills over to the rest of the engine compartment (again, only my opinion...).

$_59.JPG

Again, up-close inspection is a must to make sure it's not a patched up rustbucket.  I'm curious as to why he's asking $25K for the 454 4-speed '68, but $40K for his 283 SD... that might give you an idea of how he prices his cars and the comparative condition of both.

$_59.JPG

Sorry for giving only my (negative) opinions, but hopefully it will get the conversation going.

One last opinion, then I'll shut up (lol).  If you are regretting selling your green Beaumont from your avatar, have you talked to the current owner to see if he would be interested in selling it back to you?  If I had a choice between the two cars, I'd take your green one over the yellow one any day of the week.  If I'm remembering this correctly, your green one was a nice original car that hadn't been messed with.

Hope this helps a little...

 


 



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This 69 Beaumont convertible has reappeared on Kijiji in Nova Scotia.  It was for sale several months ago. Maybe worth checking into?

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/bedford/1969-beaumont-convertible/1388879930?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

1969 Beaumont Convertible, 327 motor, 350 turbo transmission, power steering, power brakes,power roof. BF Goodrich tires and rally wheels- white interior. I have owned the car for 12 years. Asking $17500. No trades. Phone 902-758-5086.



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Oh man, I love it! Love how it sits, and best of all looks quite original with all the trim etc.  1969 is actually my favorite year and price seems very reasonable. 
I always hear horror stories about rust etc on cars from the East Coast, I wonder how a guy from the other Coast checks out a car?
Anyone have an idea on cost to ship to BC??  I'm sure I can research this a bit more but just a question of the top of my head. 
Anyway, thanks so much for the tip, my heart skipped a beat when I saw it. Lol. biggrin

 

 

 

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This 69 Beaumont convertible has reappeared on Kijiji in Nova Scotia.  It was for sale several months ago. Maybe worth checking into?

https://www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/bedford/1969-beaumont-convertible/1388879930?enableSearchNavigationFlag=true

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1969 Beaumont Convertible, 327 motor, 350 turbo transmission, power steering, power brakes,power roof. BF Goodrich tires and rally wheels- white interior. I have owned the car for 12 years. Asking $17500. No trades. Phone 902-758-5086.


 



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I'm in PEI but we do have a few members in Nova Scotia. Perhaps one of them is close enough to check it out?


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I had talked to the owner of the Nova Scotia 69 Beaumont car,....seemed like the real deal , I just didnt act fast enough, and was actually in PEI that weekend and was going to pop over and see it myself! Anyhow , snooze you loose , and that price was more than fair from what I could tell , and I was too late,...somebody snapped it up back in July...Rats ! He had it priced at $17,000 as I recall

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The price has only gone up $500. A steal if it's as nice in person as it looks in the photos.

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Curious why it's for sale again if it did sell in July?
Regardless, wish I wasn't 5,500 KM AWAY....sigh

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Sounds like it didn't sell. I'm likely an hour or 2 away, looks like the Truro area. I could go see it if you are serious. I would guess shipping cost would be $3-5,000, a really rough guess.

Checking out the phone number says Milford Storage (can't find the address for that name) and the address in the ad, Valley, checks out as near Truro.

The car looks real solid and very straight on the body. Talk with the seller and get lots of more pics of the tags, underside of the car, trunk, inside the fenders, etc. and ask him the history of any body work. Maybe you can Facetime video with him and he can show you the car that way? See if this is a deal you want to make.

If its Canadian sold new, you could get the GM docs on it.

One of these days, I need to take a drive to BC............................ never done that.

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I had a quote to ship a Pontiac from BC to PEI and it was $3500.

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Sounds about right,...its a long haul

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Been away from the computer most of the weekend, but Don's advise is good and his offer generous.  It's in my province of residence as well, but unfortunately I've got more going on than I can handle at the moment, and wouldn't be able to check it out for you.  Probably not as qualified to make a judgement either, as I've been out of the old car game for a number of years.  Hope to get back in one of these years, though, but at least I keep in touch with the hobby through this an other messageboards/forums.

The NS car looks good, but I couldn't help but notice that it is missing its trim and emblems as well.  Don't know if that means some holes were filled, but I'm guessing yes.  Some more comprehensive photos and information would make it easier to understand the condition of the car.  Looks good up top, but has it been welded together?  How much bondo is in it, etc.  If you're on the west coast you may never have experienced the level of rust that happens on the east coast. Back in the day it wasn't unusual for these cars to have quarter panels and door skins flapping at 7 or 8 years old because of rust.  I recall 10-ish year old cars sitting in the road with broken frames or control arms, etc.  So unless it's been kept inside all its life, there's a really good chance that there has been some level of bodywork and/or reconstruction done to it.  Just my 2˘...



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Price drop on the Nova Scotia Beaumont!
www.kijiji.ca/v-classic-cars/truro/1969-beaumont-convertible/1390402644

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Thanks for the notice of the price drop. I appreciate everyone's comments and Don's comments on areas to check are helpful and the offer to have a look at it is beyond generous! After the initial excitement wore off, I'm just not sure if I'm up to deal with the hassle of trying to buy and ship a car across the country, especially one that appears in great shape. I got enough anxiety just leaving my old Beaumont in a parking lot unattended, let alone someone loading up and shipping across the whole country.

That's why I haven't even phoned the owner yet, I don't want to waste his time until I know if I'm ready to pull the trigger.

I keep telling myself it can't be as nice as it looks otherwise someone would have snapped it up. Lol.

MC, you mentioned its missing some trim, are you referring to scripts on rear quarters or some others too? I checked a bunch of images on line and some seemed to look very similar (i.e. No script etc?). Not critical just trying to figure out originality.

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I may be mistaken, but this looks like a Custom trim level car, and comparing it to the brochure, the side trim looks like it should be wider and there should be 'Custom' emblems on the front fenders.  I'm not sure what type of trim is on the kijiji car - it looks thin like pinstripe but appears to be chrome-like in at least one of the photos.  Perhaps someone more well-versed than me can chime in and set it straight - I won't pretend to be an expert on Beaumont details...

The brochure is elsewhere on this forum:

https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t24413340/beaumontacadianpontiac-brochures/forum.spark?forumID=118110&p=3&topicID=20093752

While we're on the topic, another thing that looks odd to me is that it has white seats but black door and rear side panels.  I could be wrong but I thought if it had a white interior it would have white seats, door and side panels, black dash and carpet.  Again I may be wrong on this.  Minor point really, as it all comes down to whether you like it or not.  I'm just pointing out things that don't look factory stock to me.  I typically don't mention engine parts because just about every old car has a 4 barrel carb, aluminum intake and open element air cleaner (and often headers) - this stuff is easy to change back but most people want a hot rod over a factory stock vehicle so there's no point in talking about it usually.

FWIW, I really like the look of this car and I would actually consider it for myself if I were in the market for a hobby car approaching $20K.



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To expand on my point a little, a clearer picture of the trim I would expect to see on it is at this link:

https://www.mecum.com/lots/HA0412-124111/1969-pontiac-beaumont/

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Compared to the Beaumont for sale:

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I'm not sure if the convertible was available in Deluxe trim, but if it were it wouldn't have the side moulding but would have a 'Deluxe' emblem in the same spot on the fender.  Also, a Deluxe wouldn't have the trim on the tail panel that this convertible has.

 

Again, I may be wrong and welcome anybody to refute my statement.



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Thanks again, I see what you mean about the Custom emblems. As far as I can tell you couldn't get a convertible in Deluxe trim.

Sold my other car today so now I really have $ burning a hole in my pocket as they say. Lol.

Received a shipping quote, $4135 and that's on an open deck....yikes! Didn't ask about enclosed but not too sure about it sitting on an open deck all the way across the Country???

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I was talking about the moulding also.

All that said, a lot of guys removed mouldings like that over the years to clean up the look (or maybe the moulding was damaged), so it's probably no big deal.  I just speak from personal tastes which is to keep things as original looking as possible.  My ideal car would be to have it almost totally stock looking, but with engine, suspension and braking upgrades to improve performance.  Unless it's a survivor type car, then the goal would be to preserve it as a time capsule and restoration reference.

Personally, I wouldn't ship by open deck, especially with a convertible and especially this time of year.  Last thing you want is for it to be zipping through a winter storm loading it with salt.  Plus, if the top became damaged you could get quite a bit of water into the interior before it arrives.  Remember you have no control over what happens to it during shipping.  That's just me, but I would rather spend the extra money for an enclosed truck to ensure that it arrives in the same condition that it left in.  Somebody like Thorsons, etc.



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Yes, I see the moulding issue now too and I agree it's no big deal if they simply wanted to clean up when I'm assuming it had at least 1 repaint. Sounds like we're on the same page regarding upgrades, I also like it to look stock but with some engine performance upgrades and including suspension and brakes. Not necessarily full pro-touring coil over stuff and 13 inch 4 wheel discs, just improved handling and safety.

The open deck is a huge concern for me too, for all the reasons you listed so thanks for the Thorson's suggestion, found a few others too just googling...TFX, Mackie, not sure on costs or anything yet. That said if body/paint are good and I could have 'landed' at my driveway for just over $20K I think I would be happy. Need to figure in ridiculous BC transfer taxes (12% of purchase price) plus out of Province inspection. My previous 68 from Alberta passed easily but still ended up being $800+ for washer fluid pump, horn wiring short tracing, and a new windshield (the latter was arranged by my shop at 50% of what I was quoted directly, so great deal!).

I guess ball is in my court to s#$* or get off the pot as they say! :)

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If you are hesitating on this one maybe your gut is trying to tell you something? I ask this most respectfully, but if you are in BC, the mecca for old cars for us guys out east, why would you be looking on the rusty east coast for a car? To my way of thinking, unless you have to find a car immediately, you might be better off waiting for a car to appear closer to home. It will probably be a better car, and it will be easier for you to check it out in person, plus you won't be padding the price with shipping costs. I mean, guys from my area are flying out to BC to buy old cars to bring them back here... but you live there already. Unless there aren't as many cars out there as people tell me there are? It was just a thought I had...

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...or, maybe it's just the car you're looking for.  I know Beaumont convertibles are somewhat rare, so maybe it's worth taking a chance and paying shipping costs.

Not trying to help you decide - you have to do that for yourself - my intention is just to provide food for thought.

Good luck with it whichever way you decide to go. smile



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