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I agree Todd, but I might get a later one, 4wd 89-02 with a 305, 350, 4.8, 5.3, or 6.0, 2 door, 6 ft or short box. I've been backing up my neighbor's boat, Silverado 4 door 3500 diesel with a 30-35 ft tri axle boat trailer, short is good. I need something a little bigger than my Tacoma but not the size of a house.

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Personally I can't see any reason to have a new truck like that. 80 grand? Give me a break.

A guy could have a nice rust free square body Chevy 4X4 for a fraction of that and run it forever.


 True.

... or GMC.smile

 



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Personally I can't see any reason to have a new truck like that. 80 grand? Give me a break. A guy could have a nice rust free square body Chevy 4X4 for a fraction of that and run it forever.


 Yup - totally agree.  I don't really understand what has happened to trucks.  What would be considered a full size in the 1990s would be considered a mid size today.  You virtually can't get a small pickup like the old Ranger or S10 anymore.

Meanwhile people are buying the likes of a medium duty commercial truck as a daily driver, spending 70 or 80 grand on something to drive your kids to the mall.  Most of them don't even fit into parking spots anymore. Not to mention the cost of fuel, tires, etc.  

Don't get me wrong, I'm not putting down people who buy these trucks.  It's just that the companies have taken away the choice to buy more reasonable trucks, so somebody who really needs one has to spend a fortune on something that is more than they need.  I don't really know how people afford these things.



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People are getting buried in debt buying these things. I saw it every day at the dealership. "Joe" comes in with his 2 year old truck for an oil change. Sales manager see's him and says "Why don't get get you into a new one?". Joe says "Can you keep my payment at $350 bi-weekly? "Sure can!" says the manager. So they roll the amount owing on the old truck (which was financed over 84 months) into the new truck and write him up for another 84 months. Many customers have no clue what the amortization is on the loan or the total cost of borrowing. Customer ends up so top heavy in the new truck he'll never get out from under it. Sad thing is out here the trucks are pretty much dust in 5 years and the owner still has two years worth of payments left. Many owners couldn't even afford the oil changes as they were buried in payments. But it sure looks good to the Jones' who live next door!


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I totally agree. The old pickups from about 1967 up are perfectly drivable as everyday units with PS/PB 4WD etc if you find one that was optioned well, and you can fix them yourself. 

A couple of years ago I was working in Fort Mac and had my 69 CST parked in the hotel lot amongst all the behemoths.  It looked like a mini truck in that bunch but still has all the room you'd need plus a full eight foot box.

The only problem with this concept is that I actually bought a nice little 95 Chevy shortbox 4x4 fleetside last year as a winter beater but it's such a nice truck I don't want to actually drive it in the winter.  Drives my wife nuts.

 

 

 



-- Edited by 66 Grande guy on Monday 26th of November 2018 01:05:43 PM

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66 Grande guy wrote:

I totally agree. The old pickups from about 1967 up are perfectly drivable as everyday units with PS/PB 4WD etc if you find one that was optioned well, and you can fix them yourself. 

 


 You're right Ken.

The profit made and required fixing for a bunch of stuff they put in trucks and vehicles is just amazing.

The company that would builds a truck without the gadgets that really aren't necessary will probably get a big following.

I'm sure many of us would buy a 1967 type truck today because we only need that kind of truck.

Unfortunate we can't order trucks by eliminating all the items we can live without.

I read somewhere that the only item in the new trucks and cars that hasn't changed in all these years is the valve core,but I bet they are working on 

making sure it needs a high priced replacing as well.

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My truck is a "stripper".

2006 reg. cab, long box ... just power steering and brakes ... no options at all. I did put a sliding rear glass in it for "AC" and an aftermarket stereo in it. Many people want to buy it. 73,000 km.



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Our 2 fire trucks (1985 Chev, 454, 5000 kms, 4WD dually, with a clutch; and a 2007 GMC4500, 4WD, dually, 8.2 with Allison) have window cranks. We had kids asking what they were, never saw anything but power windows before. On the highway at 120KPH, these trucks are just idling along when loaded. I think the 454 gets about 6 mpg or less.

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People are getting buried in debt buying these things. I saw it every day at the dealership. "Joe" comes in with his 2 year old truck for an oil change. Sales manager see's him and says "Why don't get get you into a new one?". Joe says "Can you keep my payment at $350 bi-weekly? "Sure can!" says the manager. So they roll the amount owing on the old truck (which was financed over 84 months) into the new truck and write him up for another 84 months. Many customers have no clue what the amortization is on the loan or the total cost of borrowing. Customer ends up so top heavy in the new truck he'll never get out from under it. Sad thing is out here the trucks are pretty much dust in 5 years and the owner still has two years worth of payments left. Many owners couldn't even afford the oil changes as they were buried in payments. But it sure looks good to the Jones' who live next door!


 

My friend just got another new F150, 2019. He traded in his 2018....he says Ford is great they give you a new one, and payment is the same....oh yeah? Whats the catch? Well when you get a new one, they don't use payments you paid already towards new one...you start fresh.....Oh so your driving a payment then forever and will never own it everytime you trade in right? Umm guess so. My 2008 is paid for in cash. I owe no one nothing. But you are right. its 10 years old. Id rather own my old truck than make payments on something ill never own...my 2 cents.



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Canadian Poncho wrote:

People are getting buried in debt buying these things. I saw it every day at the dealership. "Joe" comes in with his 2 year old truck for an oil change. Sales manager see's him and says "Why don't get get you into a new one?". Joe says "Can you keep my payment at $350 bi-weekly? "Sure can!" says the manager. So they roll the amount owing on the old truck (which was financed over 84 months) into the new truck and write him up for another 84 months. Many customers have no clue what the amortization is on the loan or the total cost of borrowing. Customer ends up so top heavy in the new truck he'll never get out from under it. Sad thing is out here the trucks are pretty much dust in 5 years and the owner still has two years worth of payments left. Many owners couldn't even afford the oil changes as they were buried in payments. But it sure looks good to the Jones' who live next door!


 

My friend just got another new F150, 2019. He traded in his 2018....he says Ford is great they give you a new one, and payment is the same....oh yeah? Whats the catch? Well when you get a new one, they don't use payments you paid already towards new one...you start fresh.....Oh so your driving a payment then forever and will never own it everytime you trade in right? Umm guess so. My 2008 is paid for in cash. I owe no one nothing. But you are right. its 10 years old. Id rather own my old truck than make payments on something ill never own...my 2 cents.


 So it's really a rental?



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Lots of these lease deals give a really low payment due to a good equity in a trade initially. After you roll your lease a few times, the equity is gone and the payments are huge and you get upside down fast, especially if you drive more than say 20,000 KM's per year.

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Lots of these lease deals give a really low payment due to a good equity in a trade initially. After you roll your lease a few times, the equity is gone and the payments are huge and you get upside down fast, especially if you drive more than say 20,000 KM's per year.


... and don't EVER damage/trash a vehicle under lease! You are screwed. 



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You guys are a hoot!

You surprised me!

I expected at least some backlash from my post... not a single one!!

My friend brought her grandfather's '79 Chev 2wd/4spd (stump puller four speed btw) up from Montana after he passed;
She has left the "patina" as-is, changed the brakes, wheels/tires, and dropped it (she agrees with me that it has too much of a drop, but as she put it "the shop was really please with the job they did" so she didn't have the heart to tell them it was too low).
This epitomizes a real truck.
I hope she never paints it.
I also hope to have a shot at owning it if she comes to deciding she doesn't really need it.
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That's the perfect static drop for a long box IMO

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I wish they made 4wds that height.

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And here's a front end shot of the 2020 Silverado HD bleh



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And here's a front end shot of the 2020 Silverado HD bleh

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F**Dish. 



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And here's a front end shot of the 2020 Silverado HD bleh

ioiy9sfpuwb7azolvtr3.jpg


 bleh  Man, that's ugly!



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And here's a front end shot of the 2020 Silverado HD bleh

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 I just threw up in my mouth......my 08 is nothing to look at but WTF is that? Fugly IMO

Last night was behind a new Escalade. The new tail lights friggin blinded me. eeech

I do prefer the front ends of the 2015 to 18 Silverados....Much nicer than my truck.

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GM fired the wrong staff. They should have fired their styling department!

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What would be the demand for trucks starting at 1955 with today's features with one year build. I know retooling every year would be costly 



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This whole "big and bulky" look doesn't do it for me.

I love my "little" 97...

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Canadian Poncho wrote:

And here's a front end shot of the 2020 Silverado HD bleh

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 Saw that exact pic this morning... except someone did their own take on it.. lol...

 

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I like my 2015 GMC 2500Hd, but not that new one. Bought mine used for 1/2 the price of a new one, so its paid for.

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Omg thats hilarious

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