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Info. On Studded Tires


http://www.msn.com/en-ca/autos/ownership/debunking-myths-about-studded-tires/ar-BBQch62?li=AAggFp5&OCID=DELLDHP

I like running studded tires.



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Yup,  just read my tag line.   Wouldnt run anything else



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I haven't run studded tires since Bridgestone came out with the Blizzak and the other companies followed suit with their versions of studless snow/ice tires in the 1990s.

While the article calls increased noise a myth, it sure wasn't back when I ran them.  My company also ran them on all of our cars and I can attest to the fact that the all the studded tires were much noisier than the studless tires.  Some were so noisy that you could hardly hear the stereo turned up almost to max at highway speeds.

Maybe they are different now - the article refers to 'factory installed' studs, which I don't believe were available back then - the tire seller always installed them at their shop.

Back when I switched, I found that the studless snow/ice tires were not quite as good on the ice as studded tires, but my impression was that ice traction was about 80% - 90% there, traction was as good or better in snow conditions, and they were infinitely quieter.

I recall a few years back, on the first snowfall of the season the long, steep hill near my neighborhood became glare ice.  I was coming down the hill around the corner and suddenly saw that there were cars piled up like a log jam near the bottom of the hill.  The Blizzaks I was running at the time got the car stopped, allowed me to turn around and climb back up the hill on ice to get back home until the salt trucks got out.  I've been pretty much sold on them since.



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I ran studs this year and man are they noisy. If you have a bad wheel bearing you won't know it until spring!

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Back in my youth and rally days in my Mini as a member of The Sports Car Club there was a member who worked for Fagerrsta Steel. Called me up and asked if I would like to run a set of tires to Montreal and back. Sure... 4 brand new Dunlop ..memory may not be right...snows loaded with studs. Winter driving conditions. Everything worked great and the sound of the studs was audible in Montreal on the main street the studs were drawing a lot of looks .. so young and foolish I just reached down an hauled the emergency brake on. what a clatter...tire testing. Continued back to Toronto and when the !test! tires were pulled of there were complete tread blocks missing. John Merryman went on to compete in the Canadian Winter Rally and many more You might say I did some of the initial studded tire testing in Canada. I ran studs for many years till I got a set of Blizzacks. Really impressed with the Blizzacks That's my story.....

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I run Michelins studless and have for years, my Tacoma has a set from 2002. For the conditions and places I drive, they worked great, since it is mostly pavement which gets salted and is bare most of the time. I can see studs being needed in very hilly places or or on dirt roads- the ice builds up on them and is there all winter.

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The Montreal trip was to determine the best place to put the stud in the tread block

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disclaimer, I didn't open the link.

I have tried for five years to use different studless design tires, and frankly they all suck.

Studded tires are only really worth their expense and noise where ice or compacted (read: near ice) conditions are present;
If you are dealing with slush, or light snow, you're better off with a blizzak or the like.
But not here - where we have a constant warming then cooling (chinooks), and see slick icy road conditions more than other areas in winter.

We just ponied up, and put new studded tires on both of our daily drivers, and I haven't experienced this level of sure footedness while driving in winter in too long.

I will never go back.




It sure doesn't help that every winter we drive from Calgary to Price George to visit the wife's family... those mountain passes plain old suck on anything less than studded tires.



-- Edited by unruhjonny on Tuesday 4th of December 2018 01:34:46 PM

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wow... that was actually a good article!?

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unruhjonny wrote:


I have tried for five years to use different studless design tires, and frankly they all suck.


I respectfully disagree.  Mind you, I might not feel that way if I had to drive through the mountains in the wintertime (i.e. Highway Thru Hell), but my city is very hilly and tends to have more ice than snow, given its proximity to the ocean.  I have driven with studded and studless tires and found that both work well, but at least I can have a conversation with other people in the car with the studless tires.  Had to shout with the studded ones.

As I mentioned in my post above, climbing a steep hill of sheer ice was achieved with studless tires, while other cars were sliding down the hill and contributing to the log jam.

So, while they may not be quite as good as studded tires in ice conditions (only), I don't think it's fair to say they suck.  They are actually quite good in the vast majority of winter conditions.

Just wanted to add some perspective over superlative.



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Yep. I notice a big improvement over standard snows. I do find after a couple of seasons the studs aren't usually in that great of shape. I haven't seen any factory studded tires here in PEI though. I wouldn't mind trying them as the article says they are much quieter.

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I thought studded tires were against the law dating back to the early 70's in Ontario anyway. When did they become legal. 



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In Ontario you have to be " up north ". There is a line just above Huntsville that also extends over to the Bruce Peninsula. Above the line license plates are cheaper and studs are allowed.

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In Ontario you have to be " up north ". There is a line just above Huntsville that also extends over to the Bruce Peninsula. Above the line license plates are cheaper and studs are allowed.


 Ted, thanks for the clarification. 



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Ya, the article says they are legal everywhere in canada, except for southern ontario



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unruhjonny wrote:


I have tried for five years to use different studless design tires, and frankly they all suck.


I respectfully disagree.  ... given (my city's) proximity to the ocean. ...


The bolded part is probably a key point;
I don't know your location (I did look at your profile page before posting this, but saw nothing), but I would guess you don't get quite the deep freezes that I am subject to after a chinook has rolled through - leaving everything as sheer ice.

I commute to work about 60km here every day, and some of my morning drives have be plain deadly with even blizzaks.

There is this path south of my city (Calgary) where the weather systems (if that's what you call it) come into contact with each other - so the worst stretch of roadway is 100% predictable... 



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unruhjonny wrote:
MC wrote:
unruhjonny wrote:


I have tried for five years to use different studless design tires, and frankly they all suck.


I respectfully disagree.  ... given (my city's) proximity to the ocean. ...


The bolded part is probably a key point;
I don't know your location (I did look at your profile page before posting this, but saw nothing), but I would guess you don't get quite the deep freezes that I am subject to after a chinook has rolled through - leaving everything as sheer ice.

I commute to work about 60km here every day, and some of my morning drives have be plain deadly with even blizzaks.

There is this path south of my city (Calgary) where the weather systems (if that's what you call it) come into contact with each other - so the worst stretch of roadway is 100% predictable... 


I'm on the east coast, in NS.  We don't get the same weather as Calgary (my brother lives there, so I'm not unfamiliar), but we get plenty of ice on the roads (and sidewalks, and everywhere else) and it usually sticks around for a long time during our worst winters (we don't get Chinooks).

We get snow storms that change over to rain that then freeze over after the salt is washed off the roads, freezing rain storms that build up a layer of ice on the roads, etc. etc.

Our winter temperatures typically tend to hover around 0 to -10, occasionally going down to -15 to -20. Often this is accompanied by lots of wind.

FWIW ice is much more slippery at just below freezing than it is at colder temperatures: "Water ice at temperatures not far below 0°C is remarkable for low coefficients of around 0.05 for static friction and 0.04-0.02 for dynamic friction, but these figures increase as the temperature diminishes." 

Source: http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0031-9120/43/4/006/pdf

 

In fact, one of the strong points of studless tires is that they have plenty of sipes which help draw the water from the surface of the ice, as well as other 'tricks' like muliticell rubber compound (Bizzaks) or walnut shell pieces in the compound (Toyo Observes), for example.  Perhaps the channeling of water away from the ice surface would be of less advantage in your climate?

So yes, I do know icy conditions very well, so I have to stand by my assertion.  I don't really like to argue, but it would be disingenuous of me to say otherwise when this is my actual experience.



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