Can anyone tell me what I'll need to fit a rad in my 65 when the 327 goes in. I've been thinking of all I'll need, but I'm kind of confused as to the spacer/shroud configuration.
Below is 2 pictures of a 65. One (327) has the short spacer/rad/shroud, the other (283) has the wide spacer/rad/no shroud.
How should it be done? I have a wide 67 spacer. wonder if it will work? And I notice the upper rad hose is on the right on the 65.
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
Here's 2 pics of my all original 65 CS the spacer before the rad is 4 1/2" thick
Are the 283 and 327 not the same dimensions outside?
Note in the pics the plastic conduit running across the top of the rad support. It contains the headlight wiring going across to the passengers side and also the hot wire from the battery coming over to the horn relay. That is original to the 1965 Canadian Pontiacs and Chevs ( not there on US cars ). It appears in your 327 pic but I don't see it in the 283 pic.
-- Edited by norontcan on Saturday 22nd of December 2018 11:03:16 PM
I just went through the same ordeal with my 66 Beaumont, installing a 350. The small block chevys are the same basic dimensions. The problem I had to work around was the long water pump vs the original short pump. Mounting and lining up my alternator and power steering pump was the first item to deal with. Once I got that figured out the next work-around was dealing with the reduced clearance between the water pump and rad.
I removed the spacer from between the rad and the rad cradle to give me some room on the engine side of the rad. The clutch fan assembly I installed is a short unit meant for tight clearance situations. Finished up with a moulded rad shroud for a 66-67 Chevelle. Its been my experience that a shroud is a must to keep the engine temperature under control, even though there wasnt a shroud from the factory on my 66.
If youre interested I can post a couple of pics of my finished install.
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72 Nova SS, 66 Beaumont Sport Deluxe, 09 Pontiac Solstice GXP Coupe
Yes, post some pictures Mike if you can. The more ideas the better.
My original thinking is to keep the bay more or less looking kind of like the 327 should belong there. But you are spot on about the shroud Mike, I've been there with my BBC, and a good shroud configuration works wonders.
I'm still unsure as to why I'm seeing two different configurations of spacer on the 65. But the one with the shroud would probably be the most efficient. Maybe in 65 the more performance 327 got the shroud, the 283 didn't need it?
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
I don't know if I ever remember seeing a shroud on a 65 or even a 66. I think Ken's 66 Grande Parisienne 396 with A/C has a shroud but that's about the only one.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
I just bumped up the thread showing the one I bought. I plan to install it when the engine swap happens. It looks great, and I hope it works as well as it looks.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
Merry Christmas guys. I havent been on for a long time but hoping to start convertible chassis in the new year. But saw this post and thought Id put my 2 cents In. My 65 4 door 327 is the same as the first photo small spacer and drum shroud. and 65 convertible 283 has the 4 spacer in front of radiator and no should. I noticed the rocker covers are different in the first 2 photos, both my cars have the inward crease and raised box for decal like the first photo. Interesting
So what year did the upper rad hose move to the drivers side? My 68 came with the drivers side hose and no shroud. I added a shoud from a 70 Impala but had to cut it to fit the P/S pump.
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'68 Parisienne 2+2 Convertible Matador Red (Resale Red but not for sale).
I'd say 66 was the first year. Maybe they had a bunch of 64 rads left over so the went into the 65's? It seem like a simple change of the water neck and rad hose was all that was needed to accommodate the left side rad hose in 66.
Off topic, but does anyone (Carl) have a scan from a 67 assembly manual of the small block power steering and alternator mounting and brackets? I'm trying to gather all mine, and they seem to be all over the place. Unsure anymore of how it all works.
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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT.
As you see in the pictures of my 66 Beaumont, I moved the alternator mount from drivers to passenger side. That was the configuration where it came from in my 72 Nova. I was able to use the existing power steering pump mounting brackets. To be honest Im not sure if that bracket was original, but it mounted the pump on the 307 that was previously in there. Just had to cut a notch out of it to fit. Id have to go and have a look to see the reason for cutting it, I dont remember why.
I distinctly recall working on this vintage of car as a teenager working in a local garage. The power steering belt was always behind the alternator / fan belt. That is how my belts are configured. In most aftermarket brackets Ive seen, they move the power steering belt out front.
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72 Nova SS, 66 Beaumont Sport Deluxe, 09 Pontiac Solstice GXP Coupe
I'd say 66 was the first year. Maybe they had a bunch of 64 rads left over so the went into the 65's? It seem like a simple change of the water neck and rad hose was all that was needed to accommodate the left side rad hose in 66.
Off topic, but does anyone (Carl) have a scan from a 67 assembly manual of the small block power steering and alternator mounting and brackets? I'm trying to gather all mine, and they seem to be all over the place. Unsure anymore of how it all works.
I'll try to check tomorrow Mark. We just got home from one of our kid's homes where we had our Christmas and I'm pretty lazy right now!
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
Hay guys, I made a mistake. After posting I thought convert has 327 with the 4 spacer. I have since been on here 2 years ago have also bought another 65 4 door Parisienne RHD made in Canada (1 of11 made for export) 283 car. It has a aluminium radiator in it now but the original radiator and spacer sold was the 4 spacer. So that makes both Canadian cars with 4 spacer, 1 -327 & 1-283 & Australian assembled Parisienne with short spacer and drum shroud. I will try and post photo. And yes to dimple rocker covers original on all three cars. Pic (1) oz 4 door pic (2) Canadian convertible
-- Edited by Budgie on Wednesday 26th of December 2018 12:44:48 AM
Arh, very good. Only heavy duty front and rear suspension on convertible
And heavy duty suspension and heavy duty battery on other Canadian car
And I cannot find any info on Aussie car. Motor, paint, interior, all a bit of a mystery
I've parted many 66's over the years including big block cars but never seen a shroud on a Canadian model. I've seen them on US Chevrolet B bodies but never knew if it was original or not.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
