Just a word of caution - Rare doesn't always translate to valuable. While the car is 1 of 632 made, it doesn't have any outstanding features like a 427 or 4 speed. It must have been a nice car when built, but sounds like it's had a typical life for a 50 year old non collector car. Restoration costs would outweigh it's final value.
Well not all want a 427 4 speed...I quess I will speak for myself that a 4 speed dont interest me had one in my vette and hated it in the city driving always shifting..and a nice sounding small block works for me in the city a big block is a waist of gas and can"t use all the power it has anyways ..Rare is a classic car that not every body has or you see much of to me don't understand NON collector car ...I think both my 64 and 69 fit that to me my 64 is priceless as I 'am sure the 69 will be to another. IMHO Too each thier own
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A 69 2+2 ragtop will be a fine summer cruiser. And you won't see one very often.
I still dream of having a nice one. Had a hardtop 2+2 waaaay back, and loved the way it felt, the Strato seats and console made it a real nice place to sit and cruise.
You are lucky to have found it!
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Well not all want a 427 4 speed...I quess I will speak for myself that a 4 speed dont interest me had one in my vette and hated it in the city driving always shifting..and a nice sounding small block works for me in the city a big block is a waist of gas and can"t use all the power it has anyways ..Rare is a classic car that not every body has or you see much of to me don't understand NON collector car ...I think both my 64 and 69 fit that to me my 64 is priceless as I 'am sure the 69 will be to another. IMHO Too each thier own
-- Edited by Bill shuba on Wednesday 16th of January 2019 11:29:46 PM
I'm pretty much in agreement. The 427 4-speed cars are intriguing for sure, but there's a reason that only a few of them were made... most people didn't need or necessarily want a 427 4-speed, and then there's the increased purchase price and operating cost.
Sometimes I think we focus too much on the iconic cars in this hobby and ignore the cars most people experienced in the day-to-day back then. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a 350 automatic convertible... I'd love to have one to cruise in on sunny summer days. I may get one someday.
There's also a lot of focus on losing money on an old car in the hobby. While that's understandable, I think it's one of the only hobbies where we hope to be able to participate with no net cost to ourselves, and even make money in some cases. It gets to the point where people don't want to tackle a car that they like because they will be 'upside down' on it in the end. While I agree that the hobby is becoming too expensive (i.e. paint costs, etc.) in many ways, it's still just a hobby that we should expect to have to spend some money on. I mean nobody would ever consider asking for their green fees back after a season of golfing, or go on a vacation and not expect for it to cost any money. So why is it such a sin to not make money on an old car? I think the amount of fun we have with it is just as important, and worth every penny we 'lose'.
So enjoy the ride...
They look great in white, by the way... or green (light or dark)...or any other colour that you like. It's a blank canvas at the moment.
X2 I have Never taken one of my cars to a show..too many pickers some people never have any thing nice to say most do!!!! but its the others that tend to bother me But for heavens sake don't pick apart thier car OR Wow!! I enjoy bringing a car back too life and making it something to be proud of once I do that I have normally sold them and really didn't get to enjoy driving them hope to change that with the 64,,the 69 I either clean it up and sell or I make it something to be proud of seems its all or nothing with me hoping I can leave the 69 alone ?? BUT sure would look nice with a new paint job lol
-- Edited by Bill shuba on Thursday 17th of January 2019 01:59:28 PM
well the 69 is finally home,,the frame and even the floors look great,lots of suface rust but a day or two with the power steel brush will clean it up..trunk 2 rust spots 1 each side by wheel tubs..so thats all good 69 350 2 barrel going to soak in oil for a bit before even trying to see if it turns hasnt ran since 87 ..bad..needs front grills ,,,and bumpers not that great no rust but dings body has had some bondo here and there and theres some dents,,over all happy going to need lots of help all ..hope the pics make sence of course they are all upside down again dam it
-- Edited by Bill shuba on Friday 10th of May 2019 10:09:31 PM
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darn I wish the floors in the 64 were as good ..convertable boot is a mystery no clip on buttons on the boot or the back trim on the car ?? don't know how he had it on if he did ? but would think factory button clips would be on the back trim..? notice I have no pointer on the gas gauge in dash ? also motor is free but no power to starter so I have to check into that...besides bottom back seat inside looks good..really want to put on emblems and louvers but it looks like I will have to get the body ready for limelight green ..it just gos on and on..also my buddy is moveing to vancover for new job so getting the car ready for him to drive is out...I am sure the pics are upside down again..sorry I will figure that out one day also haha
The boot should have black plastic strip across the leading edge that slides into a metal track on the rear of the rear seat. You can slide it in from either side.
Set the car out in the sun for 10-15 minutes with the boot attached to the slider on the rear of the rear seat and boot should stretch sufficiently t o be able to slide the plastic extrusion under the stainless trim. Work from the centre out.Then do up the 2 or 3 clips on each arm. A nice clean look like Randy's !
Dale @ NOS
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yep not sure on the seats,were they once black crush velvet dam 80"s haha and faded the greeny color or were they done green when the car was lime light ? but for now they can stay that color,,a little black fabric spray can fix that,,,,on the plus side going to hopefully run the motor tmrw ..fingers crossed I don;t know whats with kick down cable ? looks to be on the pass side ?? can't be I will take a pic of that tmrw and get some help on that one ??
-- Edited by Bill shuba on Saturday 11th of May 2019 10:37:57 PM
-- Edited by Bill shuba on Saturday 11th of May 2019 10:39:58 PM
The boot should have black plastic strip across the leading edge that slides into a metal track on the rear of the rear seat. You can slide it in from either side.
Set the car out in the sun for 10-15 minutes with the boot attached to the slider on the rear of the rear seat and boot should stretch sufficiently t o be able to slide the plastic extrusion under the stainless trim. Work from the centre out.Then do up the 2 or 3 clips on each arm. A nice clean look like Randy's !
Dale @ NOS
My 1970 (and I'm sure your 1969 is the same) re how it attaches to the top of the bulkhead slightly behind top of the rear seat. There's a snap on each end of the top of the bulkhead, then velcro between the 2 snaps, that runs along the top of the bulkhead. The velcro on my boot cover was ok, but I redid the velcro on the top of the bulkhead.
Re the above comments, yes the plastic tabs on the underside of the boot cover slide under the stainless trim. It's a clean look, but a pain in the behind to install.
The first couple times you install the boot cover will be a learning experience. I finally learned that the seam in the boot cover has to be about 1" outside the body seam to fit properly.
I think my eye caught a glimpse of a rear seat speaker in the right rear armrest. They're a bit rare, just make sure you don't crack the speaker grille while working on the rear seat.
Well, since I'm the guy with a 1969, 427, 4-speed, convertible (one of one in 69, or so believed) I'll chime in on the other side! And that is to say if you are building a car to DRIVE, do exactly what Bill is doing. My favorite driver car was when my black coupe was a 2bbl 350 w/powerglide. It was slow, of course - ten seconds to sixty. But what a great car to drive, and that's in the low-line car without progressive steering (like in the Parisienne+).
But for a summer cruiser that doesn't overheat, I think a 350 convertible 2+2 can't be beat! In fact I had one for years that I stored I Regina but eventually sold since it only got driven one week a year.
You could literally put a spare water pump, carb, alternator, and fuel pump in the trunk and drive them around North America. I know, because I've done it . MAYBE throw an electric aux fan in front for fun if you've got 2 core rad but if you have a 3 or 4 and the factory fan and shroud, they're bulletproof.
As for values, a 350 car is worth very little. Thing is a 427 car isn't worth much more. The L36 motor itself is worth $7500 to a Corvette guy, since we share the same 512 casting, but there just aren't enough (a) rich nostalgic Canadians or (b) rich Americans interested in the actual Canadian cars, there's just not a lot of value there.
I'm building my 2+2 to a standard that would bring over a million if it were a Hemi Cuda. And it will cost six figured to do it. And it'll be worth maybe $30K on the open market, I'd bet, when done. You simply do NOT build Canadian Pontiacs as an investment, that's for sure!
It's a labor of love for me, and should be for anyone else doing it as well. So pick one you love, build it to your budget, and get busy driving it!
-- Edited by davepl on Sunday 12th of May 2019 08:56:45 AM
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yep the 69 is growing on me and once I get started on something I normally CAN"T stop,,I have no choice but to make it a driver,I really believe it should have a frame off as its in really good shape now,but dont have the room,energy and my poor 64 is sitting on the street looking sad, hoping to to a break and take her for a drive today..but should know in a hour or two if I can get the 69 running again..But to be honest I really dont know what I will do with the 69 in the end ??
-- Edited by Bill shuba on Sunday 12th of May 2019 10:48:10 AM
boy motor hasn"t ran since 87...plug wires were mixed up,had to get new starter,change the distributor,never like points then hate the now,,going have to up grade that...But ITS ALIVE really can't believe how well it runs,no smoke,knocks or even a tick..sure have lucked out on this car anyways what the heck is this looks like a kick down but its on the pass side of the trany...??? is it maybe a 80"s type trany ??thanks all...do up the brakes a new gas tank and I could take it for a drive..wont though its still ugly lol
-- Edited by Bill shuba on Sunday 12th of May 2019 05:44:05 PM
pretty darn sure it gos to the trany clint theres no kick down on the drivers side ...I double posted this I will delete the other just double checked runs from pass side of trany I can run it along behide dist and it may reach the carb linkage just not sure how thats supposed to work ??
-- Edited by Bill shuba on Sunday 12th of May 2019 06:58:56 PM
