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Weather is changing and the forecast around these parts is lookin up!  Finally! I've booked hotel rooms and made ready for going to Kelowna to retrieve my 63 Parisienne. I've landed a few bits and pieces for the car, so I'm a little ahead but I'm stuck in a couple of spots and need some opinions/answers. This car requires a heater core. Does anyone know definitively that the 63 impala non a/c version is correct or should I wait til I'm holding the old one for comparison? I do want copper and brass...no aluminum allowed..just my thing. I'm quite a digger online so I've looked at many Impala cores out there. They seem to range from 63 only to 62-66 or 67...A body...B body. There are a lot of subtle detail diffs. Do they matter? I'm sure the tubes are 5/8" and 3/4".I'll get a gasket for inside and use butyl tape in the eng comp.      Next     I want to install new window glass "whiskers" all eight of them. I've done hundreds of em over the years on every make and model you can think of...but...which ones are correct here? When I read between the lines ,online that is, some places have a different listing for Parisienne over Impala and Bonneville etc. Some sites offer two versions....one close to original..one not. Some say with the stainless bead then when you look at it and read fine print it says "doesn't include" . Where I seem to be is American 2 dr hrdtps are different length (doors) except maybe Grand Prix,and that Impala doors could also be different lengths. Convert also seems different. Does anyone know this stuff for sure or am I relegated to trial and error? Sorry for the lengthy, whiny post    biggrin

 

 



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If it helps at all, the original GM # for it was 3156791.

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First of all convertible is different. Rear glass is shorter. The Impala has a stainless reveal molding along the beltline, maybe an inch or so wide.   The Parisiennel does not; So its got to be Pontiac Pariienne to fit properly. The reveal molding in the case of the Impala stays on the car .  Also pay the extra and order the original factory style. Does a nicer job & fit.

 Early Birds in Barrie, ON (ask for Izzy or Antique CheV in Dundas, ON should be able to help or any PUI dealer

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That number above is listed in my Canadian Pontiac parts book for 63 full size Pontiac.

I think you will have to be very careful shopping for it because when I was looking I found something that said the Canadian built Chevy is the same as the Canadian Pontiac but it appears the US Chevy is different. And of course 99% of what you find online will be US listings for Chevy, and of course the US Pontiac will not be the same either.

I can't find anywhere that shows the Canadian Pontiac heater core interchanges with the A body core but it does fit the US cars.

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Question. In some years didn't the window " whiskers " differ depending on model ( ie base model vs high end )? Weren't some with a chrome strip and some without? Maybe some didn't have whiskers but instead a rubber strip?

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I also found this auction listing 3156791 as the OEM number which is interesting because I don't show that number fitting a Cadillac...

www.ebay.com/itm/1963-1964-CADILLAC-HEATER-CORE-WITHOUT-A-C-NEW-/172994215457

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Heater core- by far the best option is a local recore if possible. Repop is hit or miss on quality. Does it leak, if not, have it pressure tested and go from there.
For whiskers, find someone local with a 63 Chev Impala 2 door and see how they compare. If all the glass is the same as a 63 Impala, why wouldnt the whiskers be the same? Have a look at 63 Impalas on line and
For sale, you may get good detailed pics of the whiskers?
Ive never heard of a Cdn and us Chev having any differences, other than maybe options in some years. If they turn out to be Chevy, buy from Cars or Ciadela. Do you need the track up and down whiskers and the door panels?

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pontiax- (canadian pontiac X frame)1964 Parisienne 2dr. hdtop lagoon aqua metallic (Q)

 



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Repo makes window kits specifically for canadian parisienne. I have used this kit for my 64. I had the original to match up. 

Impalas use a different fastening system ( rivets not clips).

as for the heater core, a body will not fit, its way too short. I have a new one on my shelf.

i was able to find one on RockAuto that was within 3/4 inch of original length and exact width. I made a bracket to take up the difference in length. I will look for the part number of the heater core, and i may have a picture of the bracket.

Spectra premium 94533, rock auto picture now shows aluminium construction, i got mine 1 1/2 years ago and it was brass/copper.
94533 fits 1964 grand prix without air.













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Repo makes window kits specifically for canadian parisienne. I have used this kit for my 64. I had the original to match up. 

Impalas use a different fastening system ( rivets not clips).

as for the heater core, a body will not fit, its way too short. I have a new one on my shelf.

i was able to find one on RockAuto that was within 3/4 inch of original length and exact width. I made a bracket to take up the difference in length. I will look for the part number of the heater core, and i may have a picture of the bracket.

Spectra premium 94533, rock auto picture now shows aluminium construction, i got mine 1 1/2 years ago and it was brass/copper.
94533 fits 1964 grand prix without air.


Yes; Repops also offer the correct window felt kit. xcellent products










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So here's how GM lists the cores:

63 Chev and Pontiac 3156791

63-66 Chev US built 3004814

64-65 Chev Canadian built

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First of all convertible is different. Rear glass is shorter. The Impala has a stainless reveal molding along the beltline, maybe an inch or so wide.   The Parisiennel does not; So its got to be Pontiac Pariienne to fit properly. The reveal molding in the case of the Impala stays on the car .  Also pay the extra and order the original factory style. Does a nicer job & fit.

 Early Birds in Barrie, ON (ask for Izzy or Antique CheV in Dundas, ON should be able to help or any PUI dealer

Dale @ NOS



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 Hi NOS, I think the molding on the Impalas was aluminum. I'm referring to the chrome/stainless "bead" on the whisker itself. I decided to go the PUI route via an outfit in Saskatoon Called RPM. They've got a great comprehensive, downloadable Imala catalogue. I tlked to a fella named Brian who assured me these are parisienne only trim and "as original".  We shall see!



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Repo makes window kits specifically for canadian parisienne. I have used this kit for my 64. I had the original to match up. 

Impalas use a different fastening system ( rivets not clips).

as for the heater core, a body will not fit, its way too short. I have a new one on my shelf.

i was able to find one on RockAuto that was within 3/4 inch of original length and exact width. I made a bracket to take up the difference in length. I will look for the part number of the heater core, and i may have a picture of the bracket.

Spectra premium 94533, rock auto picture now shows aluminium construction, i got mine 1 1/2 years ago and it was brass/copper.
94533 fits 1964 grand prix without air.


Yes; Repops also offer the correct window felt kit. xcellent products










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I did talk to a fella at Repops.He told me the Parisienne felt kit could be had thru a place called Antique Auto Parts in Dundas Ont...He gave me a ph # but I could not find an outfit by that name online..There is a Chevy place with a different ph #. Repops felts look good...

 



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So here's how GM lists the cores:

63 Chev and Pontiac 3156791

63-66 Chev US built 3004814

64-65 Chev Canadian built


 Hey Carl,thanks for your time. See what I mean...a little confusing ...for me anyway.. I've been told elsewhere that 3004814 is the one . https://www.classicindustries.com/product/3004814.html. This is listed as non A/C 63-67 fullsize..They also list this  https://www.classicindustries.com/product/1963/chevrolet/impala/parts/3157459.html. This one is 63/64 w/AC Dimensions are exactly the same! I took a look at the Caddy listing. Correct # but different dimensions..  It goes on and on. I think I'll get the core out and see for sure. I will posts the results about all of this for future ref.



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Dang it! I've underlined the whole thing! LOL confuse



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its Antique Chevrolet in Dundas, On  better yet  try Muscle Cars & classics in Windsor, ON . I under stand Antique Chev can be a little slow at times for turn a rounds. When we downsized Muscle Cars bought  a ton of our invenory.-  good people 

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Carl Stevenson wrote:

So here's how GM lists the cores:

63 Chev and Pontiac 3156791

63-66 Chev US built 3004814

64-65 Chev Canadian built


 Hey Carl,thanks for your time. See what I mean...a little confusing ...for me anyway.. I've been told elsewhere that 3004814 is the one . https://www.classicindustries.com/product/3004814.html. This is listed as non A/C 63-67 fullsize..They also list this  https://www.classicindustries.com/product/1963/chevrolet/impala/parts/3157459.html. This one is 63/64 w/AC Dimensions are exactly the same! I took a look at the Caddy listing. Correct # but different dimensions..  It goes on and on. I think I'll get the core out and see for sure. I will posts the results about all of this for future ref.





I am betting they don't know that a Canadian built and a US built in 63 don't use the same core.

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All the chevies I owned had a stainless bead, from 59-63, including the 63 vette, on the whiskers, have never seen aluminum in these years.


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Just to clarify the aluminum thing from above...impalas had a 1 inch wide or so body trim molding on the top edge of the door in a horizontal position if you will..lying flat on the top of the door skin. I believe these were aluminum as much of the impala trim was ..in and out. The whisker "bead" I don't think was ever aluminum only stainless or maybe chrome.

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Just to clarify the aluminum thing from above...impalas had a 1 inch wide or so body trim molding on the top edge of the door in a horizontal position if you will..lying flat on the top of the door skin. I believe these were aluminum as much of the impala trim was ..in and out. The whisker "bead" I don't think was ever aluminum only stainless or maybe chrome.

 

the Impala does not have a bead at all. Window felt attaches to the inner side of the reveal molding  (or just below)


 



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Just to clarify the aluminum thing from above...impalas had a 1 inch wide or so body trim molding on the top edge of the door in a horizontal position if you will..lying flat on the top of the door skin. I believe these were aluminum as much of the impala trim was ..in and out. The whisker "bead" I don't think was ever aluminum only stainless or maybe chrome.

 

the Impala window felt does not have a bead on it at all. Window felt attaches to the inner side of the reveal molding  (or just below)


 


 



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Ah so NOS...This I did not know

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Come to think of it, all my 59-62 chevies were not Impala so that could be why they had the bead of stainless.

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Ok, so now my heater core is right in front of me and it measures 10&3/4 inches x 6&3/8's x 2&1/2 . These dimensions do not correlate to any 63 Impala w or w/o a/c that I can find. It seems to match up to #3005264 which from I can determine is 63 Caddy, 64 american Pontiacs , Buicks and some Oldsmobiles from that era as well. #3004814 can be found in aluminum or copper/brass but only measures 9&1/2 inches long/high. I see that Rock Auto lists the larger core for 64 Pontiacs (Bonneville, Catalina) but it it aluminum and nothing other than that. No listings there for heater cores in 63 or for other Pontiacs in 64 confuse.I have not ventured down the "get it fixed" road as of yet...Does anyone have any info on where to find this core in copper/brass? I've been searching but have come up empty so far...no



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I've been wanting to do a heater core comparison thread for a while, because of all the different cores/sizes listed for full size Chevs/'64 Parisiennes ('63 would be the same). I just pulled a heater core yesterday from a non-AC '64 Parisienne and it's way bigger than it's non-AC '64 Impala counterpart that I bought from NAPA years ago. I also have one from Spectra (which I think is a different size again) that I will compare.

This topic comes up quite often on here pertaining to our Canadian Pontiacs/Beaumonts/Acadians of different years and ALL the different size heater cores offered for those years.

You should look into the pricing of re-coring of your original ... it might save you time and from pulling your hair out.



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