No dismantling vehicles at home?

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

No dismantling vehicles at home?

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

I can understand if the vehicles are an eyesore to the neighbourhood or done in a hazardous, non-environmentally-sound way.

The heading (whoever added it) is VERY misleading ... stripping cars, and selling parts has nothing to do "with restoring vehicles in their garage" ... internet misinformation, sensationalism and BS.

DonSSDD · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Hope that is Russian fake news Carl.

4SPEED427 · A Poncho Legend!

Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be sensationalism or fake news if this is the legitimate California DMV website-

https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/about/dismantlers

68sd396rag · Poncho Master!

Thats California for you-lots of crazy no sense laws there-way too many people making really dumb decisions.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Most Municipalities in Ontario certainly have by-laws that are designed to stop auto repairs in driveways and front yards. Typically they are covered under Property Standards and noise infractions.

Professur · Guru

Here outside Montreal you can get hassled for 'derelict' vehicles on your property.

73SC · A Poncho Legend!

Professur wrote:
Here outside Montreal you can get hassled for 'derelict' vehicles on your property.

Same for Toronto. Our dear departed Hillar, being a member of the bar of Ontario successfully argued that if a car had a valid registration it could not be deemed derelict. He was cited many times for this since almost none of his 11 cars ran but he always made sure to have valid registrations on them all, even the engineless ones, which was a loophole he used successfully

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

4SPEED427 wrote:
Unfortunately it doesn't appear to be sensationalism or fake news if this is the legitimate California DMV website-
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/about/dismantlers

For a government document, I'm surprised at how sloppily it's put together. Lots of what-ifs and generalized statements not necessarily rooted in fact.

When you read between the lines, however, it seems to be a thinly-veiled attempt to make it more difficult for people to keep their old beaters on the road, as many of their contentions do not apply to all "dismantlers" and also apply to situations where "dismantling" is not occurring. California has long been trying to get the old "polluters" off the roads, so why not make it more difficult for people to get parts for them?

A couple of examples from the document:

-Unlicensed vehicle dismantling occurs not only in private garages and industrial areas, but also in residential neighborhoods, near parks, schools, and vulnerable waterways such as storm drains. My thoughts: what does that have to do with anything? Anybody can pollute by dumping stuff down the storm drain, not just somebody dismantling a car. And oh yes... the children! What about the children!!!!!

-Individuals who dismantle vehicles without proper permits typically do not properly dispose of chemicals such as engine oil and transmission and radiator fluids. This hazardous waste ends up in rivers and streams, and contaminates the publics drinking water. My thoughts: They are making assumptions about peoples' handling of old fluids - do they not have public facilities available for recycling of fluids? Again, how is this different from somebody who wants to dump oil from their lawnmower or unused house paint down the storm drain? Not specific to dismantling cars.

-Defective auto parts can contribute to serious vehicle collisions. My thoughts: It's true, but how is that different from somebody running worn-out parts on their car, or those cheap overseas parts that are not made to spec but sold in auto parts stores as new replacement parts? If anything, anybody taking used parts off a dismantled car are going to inspect them first before putting them on... nobody wants to go to the trouble of repairing a car with defective parts, lest they have to do the repair again. There's more of a chance that a part will fail on a car that hasn't been looked at. Plus, used OEM parts are almost always better than those cheap, new white-box crap parts.

-Economically, unlicensed vehicle dismantlers drain the states finances of millions of dollars in sales tax. These operations pay salaries under the table and do not provide workers compensation or insurance. My thoughts: They are making assumptions here that everybody dismantling a car has people working for them under the table. In fact, any business could potentially do that, it's not unique to dismantling vehicles. It's like they are making up lame reasons for people taking cars apart just to target those people.

-Unlicensed vehicle dismantling can happen anywhere. Anyone who suspects a person or business may be dismantling vehicles without the proper license or permit, should complete the online complaint form. Isn't that great - encourage people to report their neighbors for this evil activity - what a great way to get even with somebody you don't like...

Makes me glad I don't live in California! biggrin

All that being said, the meme in the first post seems to be making unsubstantiated claims as there are no specific references to people restoring their own cars in their own garages. Seems more to be aimed at people stripping down a parts car, or running a small private junkyard and selling parts on craigslist... which would help get old beaters off the road (IMHO, their goal).

jmont64 · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Just a little insight with DMV in California last fall. I bought an 05 Honda Accord in BC, did a little work to it, and imported it into California in October. It's a cheap car that we leave there for if we go down for a couple weeks or if the kids go down.
Anyhow this is the Forsberg edition. I get it looked at as I cross the border going down and get their paperwork. Get to Palm Springs and only requirement is a $50 smog test, no safety of any sort. They check the vin number at DMV and I had to acquire a letter from Honda Canada that said all recalls were taken care of and one from Honda America that says the car complies for the US. Pretty simple and straight forward. Then came the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing.
So I owed them about $300 for the year's registration and some state tax as they gave me a partial credit for the tax I had paid in B.C Got a temporary sticker and away I go until my plate is mailed to me. Couple months goes by and no plate so I inquire and they said they were incorrect in giving me the tax credit and I owed another $200. Pay them that day and get a 2 month extension for my permit. Gets within a couple weeks of my permit running out and again I get in touch with them. An apology in that I should have received it by now but he would immediately look into it. As he looked up the info he also mentioned that I had paid too much and was entitled to a refund of $130. Week later I had my plate and a cheque for $130. I told my son the story a couple days later and his quick reply was "Now you know where many of the comedians get their material from, true stories like this with government agencies"
Overall probably easier to import there than alot of provinces in Canada. I know BC does a quite thorough inspection when you bring a vehicle in. Anyhow I now have a one owner little old lady owned Honda as my run around car down there.

Pontiacanada · A Poncho Legend!

MC wrote:
All that being said, the meme in the first post seems to be making unsubstantiated claims as there are no specific references to people restoring their own cars in their own garages.

Exactly. What I said.

This is how internet misinformation gets traction.

MC · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

Pontiacanada wrote:
MC wrote:
All that being said, the meme in the first post seems to be making unsubstantiated claims as there are no specific references to people restoring their own cars in their own garages.
Exactly. What I said.
This is how internet misinformation gets traction.

Agreed. Sure seems to be worded that way in order to elicit a desired response.

Despite my criticisms of the way it's written (like a 5th grade school project) and the appearance of its intent (I'm sure in some roundabout way they are also hoping to reduce pollution and tax-free labour, but the way they are going about it seems very amateurish), there is nothing that substantiates people "getting ticketed for restoring vehicles in their garage"... this is how 'fake news' get started!

mfleury · Poncho Master!

Just a money grabber Canada will follow suite too

timbuk · Canadian Poncho Superstar!

yes i predict ten years enviromental act