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1958 Strato Cheif with 28000 original miles. Montreal, PQ


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Pontiac Strato Chief 1958 a vendre pour $16.500 négociable véhicule na presque pas rouler seulement 28.000 milles

 



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Looks like a very nice car but couple of things bothers me! Where are the engine decals? Should be one on the valve cover and one on the air breather! If car has only 28,000 original miles engine should not have needed any work other than maybe a valve job!! The green colour looks original and also the engine, but again why no decals??? Also front seat does not look original plus door interior trim. Why would these have been changed if car has low mileage? My car has 112,000 miles and still has the original interior. Cars back in the 50's had interiors that would last long unless they were abused or if car was parked outside all the time! Bob.

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Interesting points Bob. It appears the heater hoses are original (GM markings, original clamps) as well as the upper rad hose clamp looks original. Wouldn't the Strato Chief have different interior than your Parisienne or is it still not a correct Strato Chief interior?

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Real beautiful car but i agree with Bob's points. The hoses are later GM repros and the pinch clamps are also reproduced. Still a real sweet car though. 



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No dealer emblem on the trunk might suggest a respray

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Okay, I'll pile on ... Aqua armrests and light blue interiorconfuseI'd say 128,000 miles.



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Looks nice to me.

Interior parts have a tendency to fade and change colour over the years... so that's not proof.  

I don't know what the original upholstery pattern is for a '58 Strato Chief, and the brochure doesn't show it, so I can't comment on the upholstery style.

Engine parts, even on a low mile car, can tend to rust over the years.  If they were repainted and the owner doesn't have access to reproduction decals, then no decals.  Also you can see where the valve cover gasket isn't painted, which I believe it would have been from the factory - evidence that the valve cover was probably removed and painted at some point.

Back when my dad sold cars, some buyers didn't want their trunk lid drilled for a dealer emblem, so requested no emblem.  No dealer emblem isn't proof of a repaint.

Hoses age and crack over 61 years, whether the car is driven or not.  Replacing with good repros is a good idea if you want to drive it.

So far, no evidence has been presented that proves it isn't a low mileage car.  Keep trying, though... :)



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Todd no the Strato-Chief interior is not the same as a Parisienne.  From the sales brochure I have and in my 1958 dealer  showroom album showing all the interior samples I would have to say that the interior of this car has been replaced.  Bob.



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Interior parts have a tendency to fade and change colour over the years... so that's not proof.

Exactly. I just stripped a 1970 Chevelle for parts. It has blue interior and the armrest bases are green. I removed the armrest to access the door lock and found that the armrest was blue inside were the plastic was protected from the sun.

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Seller tells me paint is original and mileage is original. No other details on the car.

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Bob, did a Strato Chief have those buttons on the seats in 58?

It has original looking master cylinder. It would be educational to crawl around this one, pics never tell the whole story. The car would have to have been inside in heated storage all its life to be in that condition, especially the door panels and being a Montreal car. That engine compartment is very clean so maybe some repainting was done there, like the heater and valve covers? I've seen a few old well stored cars in this condition, interior wise.

 

Hard to get $16,500 for a 58 4 door?



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Don unfortunately my Dealers Album just shows the pattern and colours of sample materials but no info on any buttons. However in my Deluxe Sales Brochure there is a picture of a Strato Chief interior and no buttons are on the seats but when I looked at the Laurentien series there is a picture and yes buttons are on the seats. Perhaps one of the owners over the years wanted to upgrade the seats. Folks please do not think I am downgrading this car as it could be quite possible a low mileage original car but one has to be careful if interested in purchasing by trying to obtain original documentation or tracking history to prove authenticity of cars history and most important mileage. I was lucky when I purchased my 65 Mercury as the owner had lots of documentation to prove authenticity of the car and also knew the car right from the time it came off the truck at the Ford Dealer in the small town of Kapaskasing. I have also found three other folks who knew about the car including Ted (norontcan) who all lived in Kapaskasing at one time. You hear too many horror stories of folks being scammed when thinking they are buying a low mileage original car to find out later it was not the truth. BUYER BEWARE!!!! Regarding the asking price yes it would have to be a real gem to fetch $16,500.00. if I was interested would be thinking some where around the $10,000.00 figure! Bob.

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I agree with Bob. I feel 10k is all the money for this car.

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Just playing devil's advocate to get the conversation going on this one, folks, not trying to ruffle feathers.  Hopefully none were ruffled... wink

I always find it difficult to get information on original upholstery styles/patterns, as it tends to be the most overlooked item on old cars, and one of the items that tends to go bad on any car that gets some use.  I've seen some old cars with nicely reupholstered interiors, that look great, but are obviously not original.  But then when I go to find info to see what the original looked like, it's really difficult unless it's illustrated on a brochure (which can still be inaccurate as sometimes the company changed things after the brochures were printed), or if you can find an original car that is known to be original.  This is why it's always a good idea, when a truly original car is found, to document all the original details on them for others to use.  I wish there were some kind of restoration reference archive that could be checked when questions like this arise, but alas it would be a huge and difficult undertaking.

I defer to Bob's expertise with '58 Pontiacs.  I can't really say one way or another that the upholstery pattern is right or wrong, and perhaps only the people who have owned this car over the years actually know (or knew) what the real story is.  It seems unlikely that the owners would have upgraded the upholstery, but then again I have seen old cars with rotten bodies but great interiors that have donated seats and door panels to a more worn example - it could have happened.  I've also seen cars come right from the factory with equipment that they weren't supposed to have on it, either due to a booboo or a substitution due to supplier shortages.  That sort of thing doesn't happen much anymore, though, but I recall seeing examples of cars right up into the 1980s with such occurrences. 

And I agree that this one is priced a little high.  It is a looker, though, original or not.  smile



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Very true. My 69 Coronet had seats out of a Super Bee. How did I know? The build sheet stuck under the rear bench springs.


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WOW, with all due respect to everyone. I hear all the many comments about what (Other folks cars are worth) and.................. i realize that none of our cars are really worth much. Cheers. 



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There's still some buyers out there but I don't think it's what it was 10 years ago for our cars.

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George, IMHO our cars are worth what they are worth to us.  You will probably never sell yours, so why worry about what others would give you for it... it's priceless!  smile



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MC wrote:

George, IMHO our cars are worth what they are worth to us.  You will probably never sell yours, so why worry about what others would give you for it... it's priceless!  smile


 Exactly. If guys ask me what I think a car is worth, I tell them to forget about market value because most of them will never return your investment anyway when it's time to sell!



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Back to the car at the start of this thread, it's almost a shame it's been detailed under the hood, isn't it? That would have been a great benchmark.

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Agreed.  I think in most cases, somebody wanting to buy an original low mileage car would prefer that it was untouched with some patina, than freshened up.

That said, the owner did what he wanted to his car, and who am I to criticize?  It's a looker either way.



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long stroke wrote:

WOW, with all due respect to everyone. I hear all the many comments about what (Other folks cars are worth) and.................. i realize that none of our cars are really worth much. Cheers. 


 During the mid 60's a dealership I worked at had a sign in the sales area.

YOUR CAR WILL NEVER BE WORTH MORE

             THAN IT IS TODAY

That changed quickly in the years to come but I'm afraid it may be true again today.

Desire for our old cars is falling fast as many of us are no longer around to pump them up......cry



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MC wrote:

That said, the owner did what he wanted to his car, and who am I to criticize?  It's a looker either way.


 It's even possible that the owner didn't realize that his car is worth just as much original as repainted under the hood. I've encountered at least 2 individuals recently who have repainted stuff on ultra low mileage cars, thinking they were increasing the value.

And before people start pointing fingers at me saying "look what you did to your car", I made the changes on my car to make it what I wanted. I wasn't thinking of appraised value or resale value when I changed the powertrain, I was building the car I wanted.



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