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unruhjonny


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I have tried elsewhere and come up dry, so I'm going to try it here since this is a different audience (with minimal overlap with other forums I frequent);

Question:

I was wondering if anyone here knew how to decode the stamped numbers on OEM Hurst shifters



I have come to understand the following, but could be wrong on either of these points:

1) there is a four digit number stamped at the front/bottom of the housing - this number probably denotes the intended vehicle line (EG: F-body)

2) there is a longer alphanumeric number that is stamped on the outside of the housing either on the outside face underneath the "Hurst" stamping, or on the (same face) rear edge between the lower bolt hole and vertical slot for the housing cover.

I can guess till the cows come home on how this all decodes, but unless I hear from someone in the know, or find a printed resource which spells this out, I'm just guessing.

I suspect ITM shifters would be marked much the same, but right now I only have one ITM shifter - a three speed unit that I was told came from a 1973 Firebird Esprit.



It has been suggested that I buy this book (HERE), but to date I have not received any indication that this book actually has contained in it what I am wanting to know.

 

Here's the reasoning behind my query;
I have collected shifters, and between my brother and myself we have a nice little collection - I'd really like to see if any of these are 1970 (ect) dated units, and I am curious of the source of the correct three speed shifter I have.
It is also worth noting that some of the OEM shifters have round shift rod holes, where as others have the slotted openings for the rubber bushings - I am guessing that the slotted shifter hole units are from latter cars... but I could also be wrong on that point.

Here's a couple examples:

Example #1:
1: 3138
2: 0900711C

Example #2:
1: 3138
2: 0200333H

Example #3:
1: 3138
2: 1280513H

As always, I sincerely appreciate any information that might be shared.



-- Edited by unruhjonny on Sunday 3rd of November 2019 12:51:40 PM

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The book is well worth having if you are a collector. There is a section in the book that explains the 3138 code being a GM shifter, but the other number is a Hurst factory serial number. It has nothing to do with the GM division or car it may have been installed originally. There is lots of speculation as I'm sure you found on the internet whether it is a date code but no confirmed information from anyone to back it up, again lots of speculation.

 I have the Hurst book and recommend as it has a lot of history but the answer to your question is not in the book. 



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This help?

Applications for manual shifters.

http://www.loco4fomoco.com/HURST.pdf






-- Edited by Greaser on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 05:41:27 PM

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thanks for the link to the 2004 Hurst catalogue! - that's a neat one!
(hard to believe it's a fifteen year old catalogue!!)

And thanks 'SD_396' for letting me know that the book DOESN'T answer my question, and giving me more information... even if it wasn't what I was hoping to read :)



-- Edited by unruhjonny on Sunday 3rd of November 2019 08:40:26 PM

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unruhjonny wrote:

thanks for the 2004 HUrst catalog! - that's a neat one!

And thanks 'SD_396' for letting me know that the book DOESN'T answer my question, and giving me more information... even if it wasn't what I was hoping to read :)

  I was doing some more reading today in one of my Firebird / Trans Am books about your '70 with the Muncie 3 speed transmission. Hurst did not make the 3 speed shifter, they were all supplied by ITM. 



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SD 396 wrote:
unruhjonny wrote:

thanks for the 2004 HUrst catalog! - that's a neat one!

And thanks 'SD_396' for letting me know that the book DOESN'T answer my question, and giving me more information... even if it wasn't what I was hoping to read :)

  I was doing some more reading today in one of my Firebird / Trans Am books about your '70 with the Muncie 3 speed transmission. Hurst did not make the 3 speed shifter, they were all supplied by ITM. 

How do I put this politely... I can't;

If you read it correctly, your book was wrong.

 

:D

ITM was the GM in-house shifter manufacturer, but well before my Firebird was build, Pontiac was able to secure rights to use Hurst shifters as OEM for uplevel drivetrains;
The only way that a 70-71 Firebird came with an ITM shifter was if it came with a "Chevrolet" drivetrain;
In 1970, that would have been an inline six backed by a saginaw three speed (this was a complete Chevy drivetrain);
The other way was if a base or Esprit was ordered with a 350-2bbl (base on Esprit, optional on base) and it was NOT ordered with a "Heavy duty three speed (floor shift only)" - ordering a car this way yielded a saginaw three speed, and that would get you an ITM shifter.

1970 & 1971 Firebirds as well as 1970-1972 GTO's / Lemans / T-37 / GT-37 / Tempest with a Muncie three speed always came with a Hurst shifter.

I recently passed the Hurst three speed my correct transmission came with to a friend who needed it - he's also the guy who found me my shifter.

If you can ID shifter by types, you should see this is a Hurst unit:

IMG_2002s.jpg



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1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red on black (std) interior
"no drivetrain option" car (same base drivetrain as GTO)
1:411 1970 Firebird Formulas originally sold in Canada

Luke 23: 39-43 / Ephesians 2: 8-9  / 1 Corinthians 2:12-14 / 2 Timothy 3:1-5;12
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unruhjonny wrote:
SD 396 wrote:
unruhjonny wrote:

thanks for the 2004 HUrst catalog! - that's a neat one!

And thanks 'SD_396' for letting me know that the book DOESN'T answer my question, and giving me more information... even if it wasn't what I was hoping to read :)

  I was doing some more reading today in one of my Firebird / Trans Am books about your '70 with the Muncie 3 speed transmission. Hurst did not make the 3 speed shifter, they were all supplied by ITM. 

How do I put this politely... I can't;

If you read it correctly, your book was wrong.

 

:D

ITM was the GM in-house shifter manufacturer, but well before my Firebird was build, Pontiac was able to secure rights to use Hurst shifters as OEM for uplevel drivetrains;
The only way that a 70-71 Firebird came with an ITM shifter was if it came with a "Chevrolet" drivetrain;
In 1970, that would have been an inline six backed by a saginaw three speed (this was a complete Chevy drivetrain);
The other way was if a base or Esprit was ordered with a 350-2bbl (base on Esprit, optional on base) and it was NOT ordered with a "Heavy duty three speed (floor shift only)" - ordering a car this way yielded a saginaw three speed, and that would get you an ITM shifter.

1970 & 1971 Firebirds as well as 1970-1972 GTO's / Lemans / T-37 / GT-37 / Tempest with a Muncie three speed always came with a Hurst shifter.

I recently passed the Hurst three speed my correct transmission came with to a friend who needed it - he's also the guy who found me my shifter.

If you can ID shifter by types, you should see this is a Hurst unit:

IMG_2002s.jpg

   Sorry to upset you with the information I read in a book and passed along. I didn't write the book, just trying to pass along some information. I don't need help identifying a Hurst shifter but thanks anyways. 

 Good luck with your information search. 



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SD 396 wrote:
 Sorry to upset you with the information I read in a book and passed along. I didn't write the book, just trying to pass along some information. I don't need help identifying a Hurst shifter but thanks anyways.
Good luck with your information search. 

 Oh, you didn't upset me.

:D

there's a good amount of misinformation out there, regrettably once it's in print it's often taken as gospel.



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1970 Formula 400
Carousel Red on black (std) interior
"no drivetrain option" car (same base drivetrain as GTO)
1:411 1970 Firebird Formulas originally sold in Canada

Luke 23: 39-43 / Ephesians 2: 8-9  / 1 Corinthians 2:12-14 / 2 Timothy 3:1-5;12
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