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Strange vintage 5th wheel assembly..behind a 68 Grande!?


Anyone ever seen such a device?

New member Cindy (skidder) posted some shots of her dads 68 with the 5th wheel in the emblem wanted post.

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Any ideas? Factory or homebuilt?

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Wow! I've never seen anything like it. What's the purpose of that dolly contraption with the propane tank? It doesn't appear to support any weight of the trailer. Is that what the trailer pin would sit on if it were unhitched?

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Pretty ingenious. Looks like it's taking some of the weight, and you can open the trunk!

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A smart idea !

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I see what appears to be a part of an old truck straight axle. Perhaps upside down, with the kingpin attaching it to that box section on the car?

Clever, in that it appears to be distributing load more or less 40 percent across the rear end, and 60 to the the tag assembly. Cool!



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Here's a modern version:



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I would not trust that, especially for a long haul. No freaking way. 



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Prefectca wrote:

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Got this off of Facebook.


 


 Now here is a not so legal F*** U*. I would love to be a highway cop and put this guy where he belongs.



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The setup on the GP is ingenious but it doesn't look particularly safe to me. I guess the idea is to spread the load to the dolly but I'd be worried about the attachment to the car. That said, it looks a heck of a lot better than the cobbled up Silverado setup.



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The setup on the GP is ingenious but it doesn't look particularly safe to me. I guess the idea is to spread the load to the dolly but I'd be worried about the attachment to the car. That said, it looks a heck of a lot better than the cobbled up Silverado setup.


 The dolly on the Pontiac looks home built. The wheels on the dolly look like Dodge kcar. The kcar had bolt on rear spindles and I have seen them used on home made trailers. Neither set up looks particularly safe, but the pickup is absolutely dangerous. I wouldnt want to stop or turn a corner Im a big hurry, awful things would happen. 

 

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The GP tow car looks quite nice, one of my favorites from that era. I'd love to know what power plant and gearing are in it to pull that heavy trailer. 



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the smart car one looks the safest to me cause it problably wont go anywhere

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I am no engineer, only play one on the internet.....But I can't see how that dolly takes any of the weight of the trailer. Too bad we can't see what it looks like unhooked from the car just sitting on that thing.
5th wheels are built as they are for a reason. They are much more stable than a bumper pull, Using something like that defeats the whole purpose.

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I would not trust that, especially for a long haul. No freaking way. 


 Nope.



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5th wheels are built as they are for a reason. They are much more stable than a bumper pull, Using something like that defeats the whole purpose.


 Yes. My summer neighbour from Maine can attest to that.



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I am no engineer, only play one on the internet.....But I can't see how that dolly takes any of the weight of the trailer. Too bad we can't see what it looks like unhooked from the car just sitting on that thing.
5th wheels are built as they are for a reason. They are much more stable than a bumper pull, Using something like that defeats the whole purpose.


 I see it as the vertical box section being solidly mounted to the bumper and up under to the frame in some way. No movement to it. The tag dolly pivots only side to side on a boss mounted on that box. Takes the load straight down onto that bumper box over to a king pin and onto to the drawbar. The load is now spread over the rear axle and dolly. It's really just a load assist.

Park the car, crank the legs down on the trailer. Unhook the fifth wheel pin and lines, crank up the trailer, drive forward, stop, pull those two hitch pins, roll back the dolly off the bar. Swing the bar over to the side behind the bumper. I think it probably worked very well. But in my mind, the trailer might have just been better off being attached right on top of the dolly as per current practice. But apparently it worked and never wrecked!

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