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Need To Be Educated 71 Lemans Sport Front Turn Signals


I need some education on the front turn signal / marker lights housings for 71 Pontiac Lemans era body style???                                                                                                          

My 71 Lemans  has a stock front end on it, so non Endura front end and I've been looking for a while for better condition front turn signal / marker light housings?                                           

The ones I have now are ok and complete, just a bit faded and one has a noticeable crack in the lens.  Color is the white or clear lenses which is correct for 71.                                          

So the Endura front ends was an option at that time of purchase  and or was it cheaper to go that way after having a front end collision?                                                                                  

I'm not sure if these white turn signal housings were just a one year item, or was 1970 the same???

 When I've searched goggle, etc everything seems to lead me to the endura front end with the round turn signal / marker lights or a different rectangular ones that requires a outer housing or trim...

I believe 72 was the same size and shape, just with an amber lens, which would be okay as they want an amber bulb in the 71 anyways and I'm ok not being 100% correct.                    

Hope I haven't asked to many questions plus this is getting long, but is there any other models or years that use these or the same lens?

Would anyone have the original part #'s for these lenses?

 

Thank you

Frank B



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I will offer what little help I can.

As seems to be the norm of lkate, there is ample misinformation on the web, so searching for legitimate information might be a bit tricky.

This is the 1970 the Tempest & Lemans end;
Just like years before, the Tempest was the entry level car, the Lemans was the step up in luxury car, and then new for 1970 there was the T-37 & GT-37 which where sporty versions of these cars (T-37 was based on Tempest standard equipment, while the GT-37 was based on the Lemans standard equipment).


This is a 1970 front end:

?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3 

You are correct that the 1971 & 1972 Tempest/Lemans had the same front end;
The 'endura front end' option for those years was a way that Pontiac essentially allowed customers to build a GTO without having the insurance premiums of a GTO;
After 1970 Pontiac really did some model shuffling in order to get buyers access to insurable performance cars - as was the trend, the base drivetrain for a model was what essentially dictated the insurance premiums, so a 1971 GT-37 or Formula Firebird with their 350/2bbl drivetrains were substantially cheaper to insure than a GTO or Trans Am.
Although the drivetrain on a Lemans with the 'endura front end option' was't upgraded the "GTO front end option" (as some enthusiasts have come to call it) included the GTO hood - I believe that the 350-2bbl engine was mandatory for that option, and the 400/4bbl was optional - I do not know if the 'endura front end' was optional for Canadian cars, or if it mandated a comparable Chevy drivetrain to the USA-Pontiac counterpart.

This is the regular bumper and hood for the 1971 Lemans (also Tempest, and GT-37);
I could be mistaken, but believe that the 'Tempest' name was not really used any more, and was replaced simply with T-37, then gone after 1971.

?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3

 

This is the 1972 Lemans with the standard chrome bumper and flat hood:

1972-pontiac-lemans-gt


I had not noticed the front marker light difference, but until I made this post, I also hadn't noticed the grille difference - these are both typical model year styling changes.

For more clarity on model year changes, you might be best served at another forum, like this one:

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=436

/\ that link actually will bring you directly to the 70-72 GTO/Tempest/Lemans sub forum.

I am confident that you should be able to find all the information for parts interchange ect there - that's not a knock against this one, as it's great, but it's focus is moreover on the unique Canadian market vehicles.

You can also look to dismantelrs like the following link for parts:

https://www.frankspontiacparts.com/

You can also look to a few enthusiast sites dedicated to the performance model of these cars (the GT-37) like this one:

http://www.gt-37.org/

I hope this helps!!



-- Edited by unruhjonny on Friday 4th of June 2021 09:56:34 AM

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Thanks so much unruhjonny for taking the time to put all that information together, the pic's and answering my question, plus the links.
So yes, only two year run on those style of turn signal marker lights, 71 white / clearish and 72 amber.
That is so interesting about the insurance aspect into car manufacturing...
I never knew that or don't remember insurance issues back then
as I had not started to driving legally until 1974.
I just remember insurance back then pretty much being about the same cost for full coverage as what we pay now for these classic vehicles.
Thanks again, much appreciated.
Frank B.



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The link below takes you to the GM of Canada 1971 brochure:

http://oldcarbrochures.org/Canada/GM-Canada/Pontiac/1971_Pontiac_LeMans_Brochure-Cdn/index.html

A couple of interesting things to note:

- The Endura Styling Option was available on Canadian cars, and it appears only available on the LeMans Sport model.

- The text doesn't say that the Endura option wasn't available on the 4-door hardtop - if so, that would have made for an interesting car.

- Looks like all the engine/transmission options of the GTO were available in T-37, LeMans, and LeMans Sport.  Again, there was potential for some interesting choices.

71 LeMans Sport text.png

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Thanks MC
Yes, that sure did make for many possible options or combinations for that year.
My car is a sport, but has the regular front end, 350 2bbl, 3 speed automatic and no fender louvers which I thought my car was missing, but perhaps not...
I do have the original bill of sale, I will look that over again?
Thanks
Frank

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Sounds cool.  Have you posted pics here before?



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Hi MC
Yes, I've posted pic's here before, I'll will get that posted on the site later today.
On this Bill of Sale it appears the original owner traded in a 66 Impala SS manual transmission and received a trade in allowance of $1346.80.
Hindsight, should have bought a lot of those trade in's back then...
Wish we were living in those days, now...
I also have the Factory Brochure with the complete line of the 71 models.
Should I try to post that as well?
Frank


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