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The Vaporware Salesman - Elon Musk - Tesla Miniaturized Semi Truck LEAKED!! (CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY!)


Tesla Miniaturized Semi Truck LEAKED!! (CONFIDENTIAL AND PROPRIETARY!)



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What an idiot. But people are drinking his Koolaid.

I'd rather listen to Tesla, the band !

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...and then there is Elon and his  Starlink



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Sounds like this guy has a real hate on for Elon. I have to give the guy credit for what he has done so far. Not many people have the guts to start up an automotive business from scratch. Where would the world be with out people like this who think outside of the box? We'd still be riding horses. As for Starlink, people here in PEI have it and are getting 233mps download speeds. My best is 25mbs (and when I was with Bell it was 1mps and they had the gall to call it high speed!).



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Sounds like this guy has a real hate on for Elon.


Seems like a lot of people have a hate on for him lately. Lots of negative Tesla/Musk press if it's true.



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It's been said one reason there's a lot of negative press towards Telsa is because Tesla never advertises. This makes them fair game for the media. The media isn't typically as hard on the major auto manufacturers for fear of losing a lucrative ad campaign. Some people may not know that Elon has Asperger's syndrome which is the reason for many of his personality quirks (and likely his genius).


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Many good points, Todd, and I agree.

After a while, all the anti-Musk stuff starts to sound like a bunch of conspiracy theories...



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Agree with what youre saying but one should under promise and over deliver. Not like this video clip is saying.
Theyre nice cars. A former neighbour has had a few. Sat in a couple myself.
Impressive. But they just dont excite me.

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MC wrote:

Many good points, Todd, and I agree.

After a while, all the anti-Musk stuff starts to sound like a bunch of conspiracy theories...


 Forgetting about (the man) Musk, I find it more interesting that  the guy  (Paul Mason, Thunderf00t) who makes these youtube videos actually does a good job

explaining why all these futuristic ideas and plans aren't as simplistic and  feasible as they are touted to be.

I haven't seen anyone in the media doing the same in explaining,evaluating and researching the projects Musk is taking on.

In fact from what I read, there is very little anti-Musk news out there, if any.

Nor have I read anything from Musk or his organization explaining where these projects are and why they haven't been produced on the timeline promised.

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In fact from what I read, there is very little anti-Musk news out there, if any.

 I must be on another internet.biggrin I see at least one negative story pertaining to Musk and his businesses a week.

This week: some guy is suing his company over a solar panel installation that went $40,000.00 over the initial contract price.



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In fact from what I read, there is very little anti-Musk news out there, if any.

 I must be on another internet.biggrin I see at least one negative story pertaining to Musk and his businesses a week.

This week: some guy is suing his company over a solar panel installation that went $40,000.00 over the initial contract price.


Darryl,  I wasn't thinking so much about  his business dealings, but more about  the actual 

claims he's making about the projects  he will be building. I don't see anyone in the media questioning 

the credibility of those projects ever working or the time frame he says in which it will be built. 

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He does have some outlandish ideas and maybe in his head he thinks he can accomplish these things. I have to admit I was impressed when I saw the first Space X rocket land straight up on the pad. Before this I'd have thought that was impossible to do.


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One of my friends and former colleagues joined Tesla in '10, and left the first of June a very wealthy young man. Musk is a fruit loop. Were he running a bank, a retailer, or a conventional manufacturer, he'd have been strung up by his thumbs for the way he conducts himself, and treats his people. With his "leadership" style, more akin to Trump than Jamie Dimon, he'd have been "outed" and strung up by his thumbs, by now, but Saving the Planet is a more noble goal than rewarding investors, so he mostly gets a "bye" from the lamestream media.  As described, they narrowly survived the CF of the Model 3 launch, but, now, they will face a changed competitive landscape as the "traditional" producers start bringing product to market.  Reviews of the Ford Mustang and Lightning, the Mercedes EQS, and Audi E-Tron are universally flattering, and they have service networks to support their products.  It's going to be a fist-fight, to be sure, but TSLA is by no means assured of survival, let alone continued dominance.  



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Greaser wrote:
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Many good points, Todd, and I agree.

After a while, all the anti-Musk stuff starts to sound like a bunch of conspiracy theories...


 Forgetting about (the man) Musk, I find it more interesting that  the guy  (Paul Mason, Thunderf00t) who makes these youtube videos actually does a good job

explaining why all these futuristic ideas and plans aren't as simplistic and  feasible as they are touted to be.

I haven't seen anyone in the media doing the same in explaining,evaluating and researching the projects Musk is taking on.

In fact from what I read, there is very little anti-Musk news out there, if any.

Nor have I read anything from Musk or his organization explaining where these projects are and why they haven't been produced on the timeline promised.

-G

 


 I actually don't want to take almost an hour of my time to watch the videos, as I don't really care.  The titles and the pics of Musk with a ridiculous look on his face made me question the validity of the videos before even clicking on them to see how long they were.  Right from the top he's trying too hard to convince you that Musk is a bad guy, rather than portraying the facts impartially and letting the viewer make up their own minds.  This suggests that the video guy has an agenda, whatever it is, and I'm not interested in hearing about it.

I'm not a Tesla or Musk fan, but I do recognize that he has changed the landscape of the auto industry.  If the company failed tomorrow this would not change that fact.  Whether you like it or not, this is the reality that we are faced with.  EVs have gained huge momentum and they are happening, and nobody can deny the influence that Tesla has had on this movement.

Then there's the Space X stuff, like Todd mentioned.  When I first saw that, had just tuned in and I thought it was some kind of computer generated concept image - but no, there it was happening for all of us to see.

So none of the anti-EV posts, or anti-Tesla, or whatever, has any effect on me.  I don't get all of my information from any one source - I look around and see what's happening... and it's happening.  And for what it's worth, it's not the media's job to explain any claims that any company is making about their future plans, so I don't expect them to do it, nor would I rely on them anyhow.



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One of my friends and former colleagues joined Tesla in '10, and left the first of June a very wealthy young man. Musk is a fruit loop. Were he running a bank, a retailer, or a conventional manufacturer, he'd have been strung up by his thumbs for the way he conducts himself, and treats his people. With his "leadership" style, more akin to Trump than Jamie Dimon, he'd have been "outed" and strung up by his thumbs, by now, but Saving the Planet is a more noble goal than rewarding investors, so he mostly gets a "bye" from the lamestream media.  As described, they narrowly survived the CF of the Model 3 launch, but, now, they will face a changed competitive landscape as the "traditional" producers start bringing product to market.  Reviews of the Ford Mustang and Lightning, the Mercedes EQS, and Audi E-Tron are universally flattering, and they have service networks to support their products.  It's going to be a fist-fight, to be sure, but TSLA is by no means assured of survival, let alone continued dominance.  


 Meh.  It's not the first time any of this has happened in the auto industry, and it won't be the last.  We are just witnessing a transition brought about by innovation and marketing... lots of marketing.  Nothing new here.



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MC wrote:
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One of my friends and former colleagues joined Tesla in '10, and left the first of June a very wealthy young man. Musk is a fruit loop. Were he running a bank, a retailer, or a conventional manufacturer, he'd have been strung up by his thumbs for the way he conducts himself, and treats his people. With his "leadership" style, more akin to Trump than Jamie Dimon, he'd have been "outed" and strung up by his thumbs, by now, but Saving the Planet is a more noble goal than rewarding investors, so he mostly gets a "bye" from the lamestream media.  As described, they narrowly survived the CF of the Model 3 launch, but, now, they will face a changed competitive landscape as the "traditional" producers start bringing product to market.  Reviews of the Ford Mustang and Lightning, the Mercedes EQS, and Audi E-Tron are universally flattering, and they have service networks to support their products.  It's going to be a fist-fight, to be sure, but TSLA is by no means assured of survival, let alone continued dominance.  


 Meh.  It's not the first time any of this has happened in the auto industry, and it won't be the last.  We are just witnessing a transition brought about by innovation and marketing... lots of marketing.  Nothing new here.


 Tesla is the new Tucker?



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One of my friends and former colleagues joined Tesla in '10, and left the first of June a very wealthy young man. Musk is a fruit loop. Were he running a bank, a retailer, or a conventional manufacturer, he'd have been strung up by his thumbs for the way he conducts himself, and treats his people. With his "leadership" style, more akin to Trump than Jamie Dimon, he'd have been "outed" and strung up by his thumbs, by now, but Saving the Planet is a more noble goal than rewarding investors, so he mostly gets a "bye" from the lamestream media.  As described, they narrowly survived the CF of the Model 3 launch, but, now, they will face a changed competitive landscape as the "traditional" producers start bringing product to market.  Reviews of the Ford Mustang and Lightning, the Mercedes EQS, and Audi E-Tron are universally flattering, and they have service networks to support their products.  It's going to be a fist-fight, to be sure, but TSLA is by no means assured of survival, let alone continued dominance.  


 Meh.  It's not the first time any of this has happened in the auto industry, and it won't be the last.  We are just witnessing a transition brought about by innovation and marketing... lots of marketing.  Nothing new here.


 Tesla is the new Tucker?


 We'll see, but Tesla has already accomplished way more than Tucker was ever able to, and has a lot of support and a viable business plan that Tucker never had... but that is an interesting comparison that hadn't occurred to me.



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Thats a great analogy.

Musk is the thorn in everyone. Without him The big 3 and the Europeans would still be way behind.

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No, that would be Trevor Milton, the idiot who was touting Nikola, the alt-fueled heavy truck producer.  The SEC charged him with misleading investors, as they did the moron who was CEO of Lordstown Motors.

None of us were alive when this movie first aired, 100 years ago, but it will play out very similarly -  a mixture earnest, well-intentioned dreamers, and self-serving charlatans, then, ultimately, people with business savvy as well as messianic zealotry, will emerge.  The difference, this time around, is that buggy-and-whip producers had no head start on automobiles.  



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No, that would be Trevor Milton, the idiot who was touting Nikola, the alt-fueled heavy truck producer.  The SEC charged him with misleading investors, as they did the moron who was CEO of Lordstown Motors.

None of us were alive when this movie first aired, 100 years ago, but it will play out very similarly -  a mixture earnest, well-intentioned dreamers, and self-serving charlatans, then, ultimately, people with business savvy as well as messianic zealotry, will emerge.  The difference, this time around, is that buggy-and-whip producers had no head start on automobiles.  



-- Edited by see2xu on Monday 2nd of August 2021 05:21:52 PM


 Except that EVs are not revolutionary like the transition from horses to cars.  It's just a change of powertrains and fuel source.  That's it... same vehicles otherwise.  The biggest factor really is that it will require a shift in infrastructure, which has already started to happen.  Just less incremental than the past 70 years of automotive development - two large changes at once... then probably another 100 years of incremental changes.



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Maybe not QUITE as disruptive as the evolution from horse-drawn, to horsepower-driven, but pretty profound, nonetheless, quickly rendering obsolete huge investments in technology, distribution, resource extraction/refining/provision, and demanding collateral step-ups in funds invested in other areas, such as the energy grids you allude to.

The implications for labour, across the supply base, in the assembly plants, and in the dealer networks, are also pretty profound.  The UAW, IG Metall, and others are starting to realize that they've got a problem that they can't just stamp their feet in the face of, and try to turn back.

As described in a previous string, the disposition of the exhausted battery packs promises to be another huge challenge, and one which the zealots would prefer to pretend doesn't exist, just as advocates of motorized vehicles ignored people complaining about the smell from the combustion process, 100 years ago!

 



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Not a zealot (not that you were implying that I was), however I do get tired of the overinflated claims from both sides.  Yes, it's a change, and a big one.  But cripes, everybody in industry has like 30 years to adapt, and not all industries are guaranteed success forever.  Coal and paper come to mind (not to mention print media, on the topic of paper).  Oil will probably be one of those in the future (though there are still a lot of plastics being made)... or maybe it won't be, I don't know. 

If you want to look into another industry that had similar change, look at the railroad industry that changed over from steam to diesel in the timespan of a couple of decades.  Rail was huge back then, and I'm sure that there was a lot of griping and doomsday calling at the time, but the transition happened and here we are. 

One thing that I've noticed is that the electric car "debate" seems to play out very similarly with political "debates", where you get two sides at polar opposite viewpoints fighting to the death.  Then, anybody like me, who holds views that are more in the middle will get shoved into the other 'category' by the booster of either extreme side.  It's almost like a religion... it's bizarre.

Anyhow, we've beaten this topic to death, I'm out.



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Didn't mean to implicate you as a zealot, and I'm not "wedded" to anything, just trying to steer through the maze.  I just hope that filling stations are still around, twenty years from now, so I can keep my Beaumont energized.  I'm not of the mind to have an EV powertrain retrofitted.



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No problem, I knew you weren't referring to me.  I've been on the other side of the debate before with EV boosters treating me like I have two heads because I spoke positives about internal combustion.  Then there are others who did not want to accept when I told them that self-driving cars for the everyday person are at least three or four decades out.  100% reliability of that technology will require better hardware/software than anybody has now, and then making it affordable to the every day user is another story.

As far as fuel stations are concerned, since car companies will be allowed to keep selling ICE vehicles up to something like 2045 (there was a thread on it here a while back), there will be a requirement to keep gas infrastructure in place.  I just bought a new gasoline powered car last summer and I intend on driving it for the next 15 - 20 years much the same as I have been for all my other cars.  If they can make an EV that satisfies my requirements, then I'm not against getting one, but I have high standards for functionality, so they will have to work out the bugs before I even think about it.  I don't think I'll ever convert a classic over to electric, as that takes half the delight out of an old car IMHO.

To each is his own, of course, but I hope to never close my mind off to new ideas and the resultant change that will undoubtably occur. 



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As far as fuel stations are concerned, since car companies will be allowed to keep selling ICE vehicles up to something like 2045 (there was a thread on it here a while back), there will be a requirement to keep gas infrastructure in place. 


 ... and the oil industry will not go down without a fight.



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