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The myth of the $10 EV recharge - Fake prices in the involuntary auto economy


https://financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-the-myth-of-the-10-ev-recharge

 

"What role will consumers, prices and markets play in the new EV industry?

None.

The EV industry is under the command and control of government central planners.

Forgive the cliché, but: "What could go wrong?"



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Interesting....Often wondered what the cost to charge is at a charging station. Also wonder how that would compare having your own charging outlet at home. The author is saying he estimates a total of $50 or so. That will go about 3-400 km I imagine. Will $50 of gas go that far, depends on the vehicle I guess.


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I had someone here on PEI with a Tesla Model 3 tell me it cost's them $10 in electricity to fully charge the car at home.


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So is that 10 every night to charge the Tesla?? Just curious.  If so 10 every night x 356 = 3560.00 for power for a year?? 

I think I burn 200 bucks a month in fuel for my commuter, so 2400 a year. Just thinking out loud.. 



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No, $10 to recharge to full from near empty. Think the guy said once a week. I think the Model 3 gets about 570KM (in Summer- 20% less in winter) per charge. 



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My neighbor has electric in floor heat in his house, he uses off peak electricity to heat his house and garage. The cost is significantly less than the regular price. He has installed a charging station in case he buys electric. He drives a Camry hybrid now and a 55 Chevy 2 door post he bought when he was 19, hes now in his 70s. It has a 350 and 700R and he uses it with a utility trailer to haul stuff. Hes a pretty normal guy by my standards.

You have to compare apples to apples, how far do you travel, what does your gas and electricity.cost? Can you use an electric car for your commute? How much to buy your new vehicle?

What is the maintenance cost of a new electric vehicle and a new F150 4 door gas vehicle? New vehicles work very good until they dont, then you are at the mercy of the dealer and manufacturers, the mechanics who work for them, and their software. To me it is very possible an electric vehicle will have way fewer systems to go wrong, no fuel injection, no turbo, no exhaust system, no catalytic converter, a much simpler cooling system, no fuel tank. Imagine how many sensors disappear. Bringing your gas vehicle to a dealer for any problem is now a real crap shoot, getting a good mechanic, getting unique parts, the cost of parts, etc. And they seem to change things multiple times a year. I have a hard time getting the right antifreeze and changing it in my 2015 VW TDI, they have a different spec for the 2014 and before that. A G12, then a g12+, then a g12++, then a g13. And your warranty may be voided if you use the wrong spec or a generic. They have a problem with heater cores clogging due to aluminum flux gathering in the core. And they have a so-called lifetime coolant.

Same as their transmission and other fluids, lifetime, except motor oil, not mine but I hear some autos have no dipstick, just a sensor that reminds you to change your motor oil when it needs changing. What happens if that sensor is faulty? Who is responsible when your engine blows up off warranty? I am assuming this is happening with all brands, not just VW?

The big risk with electric is batteries but they seem to run for 10-15 years. As long as most gas vehicles? And there will be a good aftermarket support system for batteries plus new technology.

I still think its 10-20 years before half of our vehicles are electric or some other non petroleum power source like hydrogen. In the meantime, I do not want to own any 2022 vehicle, too risky for maintenance costs.



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While an EV would never be cost effective for me unless I was handed one for free, I can see the benefits. Don brings up a lot of good points. I have another friend with a VW EV (Golf?) and loves it. He has a pile of solar panels on his house (never pays an electric bill) and said he has enough excess production to cover charging the car. Of course you have to factor in the cost of his solar panels. I don't think we need to worry about battery life. The mfgrs have pretty much sorted these out to last much longer than the rest of the vehicle and have good warranties. What would concern me is the cooling systems on some of these vehicles. If you ever watch Munro Live he shows some of the crazy cooling systems some EV's have (like the Mustang MachE). You know darn well most independent shops will not be able to repair these vehicles. I also worry about talk about EV's (and all vehicles) having a "back door" in the next few years that will allow a remote shut down. I recently read an article about a Tesla getting reposessed and the company helped the repo guy find it by remotely honking the horn and moving it out of a garage.

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I fully suspect future charging will increase in cost and as vehicles become more prevalent there
will be serious lineups at charging stations everywhere.
 
Cost is certainly a factor for the purchaser and the provider..
My son Mike owns a Tesla 3. He is also a Tesla employee in Toronto.
Last year Tesla ended the perk of employees charging their cars at the dealership for free.
They now along with other Tesla owners must purchase a charging program and it is not cheap.
 
I recently met Mike near a Tesla charging station in Cambridge. He plugged the car in
and we went for lunch. About 30 mins into our lunch he had to disconnect the car after it was
fully charged and move it in order not to be charged for parking in a charge lane unnecessarily.
 
If your Tesla is connected to a charger and it is fully charged there is a short grace period before
you will incur these extra costs.
 
happy motoring everyone

 



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Not sure on how long the batteries will last, but lots of talk about it costing lots to replace. Upwards of 16k to replace??
The battery is part of the floor in the car, and is sealed and must be cut out. I work for a Toyota Dealer and we are
seeing hybrid batteries last about 10 years on average. 3500 to replace. Also see lots of stuff online about cars lined up for
a few blocks waiting to get to a charger?? Not sure if this is made up nonsense or real. There is only a few charging stations
around in my area so could be a problem here if more electric cars are bought. Have heard the Nissan Leaf is disposable
when needing battery due to cost and low cost of resale of car.

I'm sure there will come a time when it is necessary but not we are not ready for it yet.

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Being in Canada and knowing how much road salt is used here, I wonder

how EV's  like  Tesla hold up in the rusting department compared to gas vehicles. 

I understand any rust proofing done on the Tesla will void the warranty.



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Gruber Motors in the US did a video about problems they've found on older Teslas. I think the biggest issue we will see with EV's is failing capacitors.

 



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Greaser wrote:

Being in Canada and knowing how much road salt is used here, I wonder

how EV's  like  Tesla hold up in the rusting department compared to gas vehicles. 

I understand any rust proofing done on the Tesla will void the warranty.


 Rust proofing your Tesla does not void the warranty however as with any other vehicle if there

is a warranty issue and it is determined the rust proofing (product or process) caused the problem

then your warranty claim will be denied........no



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