Just put the original old ITW, (Muncie), shifter in my 66 Beaumont and it will not cut it. Tooooo sloppy etc. so wondering if anyone has an extra Hurst shifter for Muncie 4 speed, (M20, 451 stud type) that they would willing to sell. I have a Hurst Comp Plus #3198010 but I think it is for 68-72 and not sure if there is any differance between that and 3917308. My Hurst shifter has a modified arm where teh stick bolts onto but I could reweld that would like to find the correct shifter for the car. I can get an installation kit locally if I cannot find a shifter with rods still attached.
seventy2plus2 said
Apr 1, 2021
I bought a complete rebuilt Competition Plus shifter from a guy about 7 or 8 years ago, it was for my 70 Parisienne. I have his info here somewhere if you'd like me to dig it up for you.
4SPEED427 said
Apr 1, 2021
I would love to talk you into rebuilding your stock one. There's a shim kit available for them that takes a LOT of the slack out of them.
Where are you located? I have one here that I shimmed up and would gladly let you try it. If you like it I'd sell it to you or you can buy the parts to tighten up your shifter.
Canadian Poncho said
Apr 1, 2021
Carl, didn't you post photos of the rebuild when you did it?
Out here on the Wet Coast.
Where does shifter mount on the tail shaft? I think it mounts directly onto tail shaft, rear two lower holes. Not that it matters it is a console car and shifter assembly and stick suppose to correct and original for car
I think it should be on lower rear two holes but the bottam of levers for the rods seem to hit the crossmember. I have it mounted on two upper holes so there is only two bolts holding it onto tail shaft. I think it should be mounted on bottom two/rear holes so that the middle hole and bolt lines up with hole in top part of tail shaft. Is this correct?
Rods all line up and shifts 1/2, and 3/4 but will not shift into reverse. I read you need a special tool for installation to align all the rods in neutral and not easy like a Hurst that you put pin in to establish neutral. Still sloppy even in forward gears. all the gears can shifter by hand under the car with all forward, reverse and neutral the way it is suppose to be I think? (never used Muncie shifter before always used Hurst Comp plus shifters before)
When you pull up on the tongs it pulls up the pin but the shifter still does not seem to move over to engage reverse. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Tried swapping transmission crossmembers, and transmission mounts but still will not accept shifter on lower holes. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Drive Train is BB/M20/12 bolt posi. Everything good to go except this shifter.
Everyone I know say junk the old Muncie shifter and put in a Hurst Comp Plus but I am stubborn and would like to get this shifter installed and working correctly.
Thanks for any and all help!
4SPEED427 said
Apr 1, 2021
Can you post some pictures for us?
I have to be away from the computer shortly but if you don't get the answers you need I can likely help you later tonight.
4SPEED427 said
Apr 1, 2021
I believe this is the correct mounting for Chevelle.
I'm a full size kind of guy but they use the same shifter, just a different way to mount it between the 2.
Great info on rebuild. Evetyone always told me these shifters could not be rebuilt. They are obviously wrong, makes me want to pull mine out and try a rebuild on it.
68 customized said
Apr 1, 2021
That is the way I tried to mount mine but the lower ends of the levers hit the crossmember
68 customized said
Apr 1, 2021
Trying to attach pictures. (Need my granddaughter,( alias my tech dept.), to help me.anthow you can l
Make it out this is how it is mounted now in top holes on tailshaft. If I lower shifter to lower holes on the tailshaft the levers hit the crossmember. I must be having a pensioners moment. What am I doing wrong?
The shifter is very simple to rebuild. It's made in such a way that I don't think you can assemble it wrong. If you like I can make a Youtube video and take one apart, then put it back together.
As I mentioned, I'm not a Beaumont guy so this is just a guess. Would someone have maybe changed the crossmember in your car and it's wrong?
And also, the way you have it mounted now is just with 2 bolts? They have to use 3 mount points to be stable, so yes, that can't work properly that way.
Hoping someone here with a 64-67 Beaumont/Chevelle 4 speed will see this and be able to tell you what is wrong. If nothing else I will have time next week to run to my friend's place and check his 67. When I was there the other day he had it on the hoist and it looked like it might be there for a while.
4SPEED427 said
Apr 1, 2021
Mark has done a great thread on these shifters. The only thing different is this shows the linkage and mounting for his 65 Pontiac, not the same as your's.
I thought it was the wrong crossmember so I found anouther crossmember and bought it and it turned out to be the same as the crossmember I already had.
I'm stumped. I know it must seem silly to anyone who knows this car but..........
4SPEED427 said
Apr 1, 2021
I think I figured out the problem. Let me get back to you a bit later. I think you have Impala linkage instead of Beaumont/Chevelle linkage. It can't be the shifter body itself because they are almost all the same, Corvette is a different body.
4SPEED427 said
Apr 1, 2021
I made the one image more user friendly!
To me, you need to move the shifter down into those two bottom holes that are unoccupied. That frees up a top hole for the bolt that goes through the shifter body. It will thread into the hole in the tailhousing.
When you do that it will move the linkage forward and I bet it will clear the crossmember. However, you likely can't move the body forward because the linkage is too long, correct?
Do you have a 66 Beaumont Shop Manual? That should show the shifter (and especially the linkage) configuration.
4SPEED427 said
Apr 2, 2021
When I get a chance tomorrow, I want to talk to you and we need to have these 2 images handy when we talk. It will only suit me later day though I think,
Thanks for thoughts and help. I will try to remove and reinstall again today, (for the hundredth time).
The last picture with the bolt I assume that is trick way how to ensure shifter is in neutral. This would be very different to the way I was lining up the levers in neutral and could be where and how I am messing up.
I am thinking I had it mounted in lower holes but it made stick "lay down", to far towards rear and flat towards where console sits but could be because I had levers not in the correct neural position so will try again. Only takes a few minutes to remove and reinstall. Fingers crossed!
Mike 604-868-2773
timbuk said
Apr 2, 2021
i like the newport in the background lets seee a shot of that good luck with that 4 speed you at right place
cdnpont said
Apr 2, 2021
I had the luxury of setting it all up on the bench and mounted to the trans. I have to say setting up the new shims took me a good bit of time, but the result made the sloppy shifter at least half decent.
If you can get that alignment slot close it should help you. It'll at least it'll tell you how far out or close you are.
Beaumont4008 said
Apr 2, 2021
I also think the reverse shifter lever on the trany is supposed to be facing down not up or am I seeing things wrong in that pic.
68 customized said
Apr 2, 2021
Well played around most of day, finally jack up tranny and undid crossmember, installed shifter and everything is good BUT if I were to reattach crossmember the 3/4 lever will not clear crossmember so conclusion is it definitely seems to be crossmember issue. This is what I suspected months ago, so I got anouther crossmember that turned out to be the same crossmember as I already had.
Mmmmmmmm I have seen some pictures and kits that had a adapter plate similar to Hurst shifter but I have also read that was for B-body cars and that A-body cars, shifter attaches directly onto tail shaft as I have it now. Baffled!?
seventy2plus2 said
Apr 2, 2021
Somebody must have a 1966 Canadian Pontiac shop manual that includes Beaumont.
Just put the original old ITW, (Muncie), shifter in my 66 Beaumont and it will not cut it. Tooooo sloppy etc. so wondering if anyone has an extra Hurst shifter for Muncie 4 speed, (M20, 451 stud type) that they would willing to sell. I have a Hurst Comp Plus #3198010 but I think it is for 68-72 and not sure if there is any differance between that and 3917308. My Hurst shifter has a modified arm where teh stick bolts onto but I could reweld that would like to find the correct shifter for the car. I can get an installation kit locally if I cannot find a shifter with rods still attached.
I would love to talk you into rebuilding your stock one. There's a shim kit available for them that takes a LOT of the slack out of them.
Where are you located? I have one here that I shimmed up and would gladly let you try it. If you like it I'd sell it to you or you can buy the parts to tighten up your shifter.
As a matter of fact I think so. I'll check.
Yes, right here-
https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t66145696/67-and-older-4-speed-shifter-restoration/
Where does shifter mount on the tail shaft? I think it mounts directly onto tail shaft, rear two lower holes. Not that it matters it is a console car and shifter assembly and stick suppose to correct and original for car
I think it should be on lower rear two holes but the bottam of levers for the rods seem to hit the crossmember. I have it mounted on two upper holes so there is only two bolts holding it onto tail shaft. I think it should be mounted on bottom two/rear holes so that the middle hole and bolt lines up with hole in top part of tail shaft. Is this correct?
Rods all line up and shifts 1/2, and 3/4 but will not shift into reverse. I read you need a special tool for installation to align all the rods in neutral and not easy like a Hurst that you put pin in to establish neutral. Still sloppy even in forward gears. all the gears can shifter by hand under the car with all forward, reverse and neutral the way it is suppose to be I think? (never used Muncie shifter before always used Hurst Comp plus shifters before)
When you pull up on the tongs it pulls up the pin but the shifter still does not seem to move over to engage reverse. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated. Tried swapping transmission crossmembers, and transmission mounts but still will not accept shifter on lower holes. I don't know what I am doing wrong. Drive Train is BB/M20/12 bolt posi. Everything good to go except this shifter.
Everyone I know say junk the old Muncie shifter and put in a Hurst Comp Plus but I am stubborn and would like to get this shifter installed and working correctly.
Thanks for any and all help!
Can you post some pictures for us?
I have to be away from the computer shortly but if you don't get the answers you need I can likely help you later tonight.
I believe this is the correct mounting for Chevelle.
I'm a full size kind of guy but they use the same shifter, just a different way to mount it between the 2.
Trying to attach pictures. (Need my granddaughter,( alias my tech dept.), to help me.anthow you can l
Make it out this is how it is mounted now in top holes on tailshaft. If I lower shifter to lower holes on the tailshaft the levers hit the crossmember. I must be having a pensioners moment. What am I doing wrong?
As I mentioned, I'm not a Beaumont guy so this is just a guess. Would someone have maybe changed the crossmember in your car and it's wrong?
And also, the way you have it mounted now is just with 2 bolts? They have to use 3 mount points to be stable, so yes, that can't work properly that way.
Hoping someone here with a 64-67 Beaumont/Chevelle 4 speed will see this and be able to tell you what is wrong. If nothing else I will have time next week to run to my friend's place and check his 67. When I was there the other day he had it on the hoist and it looked like it might be there for a while.
Mark has done a great thread on these shifters. The only thing different is this shows the linkage and mounting for his 65 Pontiac, not the same as your's.
https://canadianponcho.activeboard.com/t65524339/65-b-body-4-speed-conversion-post/
I thought it was the wrong crossmember so I found anouther crossmember and bought it and it turned out to be the same as the crossmember I already had.
I'm stumped. I know it must seem silly to anyone who knows this car but..........
I made the one image more user friendly!
To me, you need to move the shifter down into those two bottom holes that are unoccupied. That frees up a top hole for the bolt that goes through the shifter body. It will thread into the hole in the tailhousing.
When you do that it will move the linkage forward and I bet it will clear the crossmember. However, you likely can't move the body forward because the linkage is too long, correct?
When I get a chance tomorrow, I want to talk to you and we need to have these 2 images handy when we talk. It will only suit me later day though I think,
The last picture with the bolt I assume that is trick way how to ensure shifter is in neutral. This would be very different to the way I was lining up the levers in neutral and could be where and how I am messing up.
I am thinking I had it mounted in lower holes but it made stick "lay down", to far towards rear and flat towards where console sits but could be because I had levers not in the correct neural position so will try again. Only takes a few minutes to remove and reinstall. Fingers crossed!
Mike 604-868-2773
I had the luxury of setting it all up on the bench and mounted to the trans. I have to say setting up the new shims took me a good bit of time, but the result made the sloppy shifter at least half decent.
If you can get that alignment slot close it should help you. It'll at least it'll tell you how far out or close you are.
I also think the reverse shifter lever on the trany is supposed to be facing down not up or am I seeing things wrong in that pic.
Mmmmmmmm I have seen some pictures and kits that had a adapter plate similar to Hurst shifter but I have also read that was for B-body cars and that A-body cars, shifter attaches directly onto tail shaft as I have it now. Baffled!?
Or how about researching Chevelle?