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Hillar,don't you remember the Red one ? It was an LS5.

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Yes, I remember the red one.  Did you end up getting the build sheet for that one?  If so, were there any other LS5 wagons on the production sheet?  Did any of them show having N10?

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CDN2PLS2 wrote:

Hillar,don't you remember the Red one ? It was an LS5.



BTW, that red one came out of Winnipeg, I wonder if Carl remembers ever seeing it around?



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using common sense i agree, but why would gm offer an LS5 if it did'nt offer more power over the LS4. and your right the build sheet does'nt show dual exhaust.

-- Edited by rarechev at 17:35, 2009-02-03

-- Edited by rarechev at 17:38, 2009-02-03

-- Edited by rarechev at 17:40, 2009-02-03

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I've got paper on a Granada Gold one with LS5 sold in the Maratimes.Complete Load,about 30 options,don't remember N10 on the sheet tho.I think George could find the number,IF he looked.

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don't forget, the LS4 only came with a single exhaust, so even an LS5 with just a single exhaust should have offered more power.  I'm sure the power bands were slightly different, with the LS5 developing its horsepower at a higher rpm because of the higher lift cam and the carb probably being jetted differently, which would have made the LS5 better for high speed passing maneuvers and top end speed.wink

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using common sense i agree, but why would gm offer an LS5 if it did'nt offer more power over the LS4. and your right the build sheet does'nt show dual exhaust.

-- Edited by rarechev at 17:35, 2009-02-03

-- Edited by rarechev at 17:38, 2009-02-03

-- Edited by rarechev at 17:40, 2009-02-03







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I love the line in the '70 Full Size Chevy Brochure that calls the LS5 MR BIG !!

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One thing we are not even considering is torque and I am sure the engines are different there too.

I know with my daily driver Deville has 275HP and 300 lb ft torque, the Concours optional engine with the same displacement and higher lift cam is 300 HP with 290 torque. Hillar's reasoning is valid, more HP for high speed performance.

The LS4 may well be a better choice for a wagon if it has higher torque at lower speed for towing and hauling. The other thing about dual exhausts is generally they move the torque curve hiugher up in the range which may be why single exhaust on wagons. Just some musings.

-- Edited by 73SC at 18:11, 2009-02-03

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More on the LS4 vs. LS5 debate:

Also came across the following thread on the Corvette Forum:


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Well that clears it up wink

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Astro Jet wrote:

 

CDN2PLS2 wrote:

Hillar,don't you remember the Red one ? It was an LS5.



BTW, that red one came out of Winnipeg, I wonder if Carl remembers ever seeing it around?

 



No, I can't say that one rings a bell at all. I sure would have checked it over if I knew of it though!

After having my 67 Grande Parisienne wagon I'd be ready for another big block Pontiac family hauler!

 



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My listing from GM says less than 13 427 4spd cars  ( L36 M20) were built in 1967< so you could probably put that update on there. Has anyone got any data on L36 M40 cars for 1967 ?

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 Elroy, the 13 cars you are referring too are probably only for a specific model#, not all 67 pontiac's????. I have a pic of the GM documents for a 67 427 4spd Bel Air and it is one of 25 with the L36 M20 including the biscayne, bel air, laurentian and strato chief body styles. So roughly guessing you could say 6 were made of each. Most likely more chevs made though. I have been researching how many Canadian built chevs were made with L36 and have a fair bit of info now on L36 production #'s in the various model #'s. 

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1965 laurentian 75645 3 seat wagon number produced        683   wowbiggrin

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thanks for your help

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I dunno Andrew. All I have is that George states less than 13 L36 M20 cars but not sure if he is looking at 2+2 rags or what models or generally Pontiacs, i doubt it includes Chevys as their numbers would be greater for sure. I will send him an email maybe he will enlighten the situation ??



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Hey i would like to see those chevy prod numbers too. That's cool stuff !

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Hi guys a friend of mine just had his  66 custom sport convertible checked out by George and here are the production numbers he got;

Model number 76467 - 4784 produced (less than 150 with M20 4 speed)

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76637-grande parisienne 8 cyl 2 door hardtop; I have a figure of only 130, 13 of which had the L36 427.



There has been discussion about only the single exhaust LS5 454 being offered for the wagons.


The 1970 and earlier wagons were not limited to a single exhaust system and could be ordered with the single exhaust LS4 and the dual exhaust LS5. I do remember the 1970 full-sized Chevy and Canadian Pontiac wagons coming with a funny outer heat shield on the tailpipe. The tailpipe was sort of crushed down to fit within a larger diameter pipe that flared out and encircled it. There was an angle cut on the lower part of the shield.

-The single exhaust LS5 was only offered on the 1971 & 1972 full-sized Chevy wagons.

-For 1973 the LS5 was dropped and the milder cammed LS4 came back and took over, now being equipped with dual exhausts except on the full-sized wagons.

-For 1974 dual exhaust finally made it to the LS4-powered full sized Chevy wagons, with both outlets stacked one on top of the other on the left side.

-For 1975 the catalytic converter meant single exhaust for all.

-In 1976 a Y-pipe branched into duals downstream from the catalytic converter. The wagons had duals again, but this time the pipes came out on both sides (the RHS must have been a tight fit between the spare tire well and the bumper). I remember seeing them all brand new. I saw a brand new '76 Bel Air wagon with a 454 on Manitoulin Island, towing an Airstream trailer. We were also passed by a new '76 Bel Air 454 OPP cruiser on Highway 400. We were going over 100 km/h and he passed us like we were standing still and he was going 140. Whoosh!





-- Edited by CdnGMfan on Monday 16th of March 2009 02:57:45 PM

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66 Grande guy wrote:

Hi guys a friend of mine just had his  66 custom sport convertible checked out by George and here are the production numbers he got;

Model number 76467 - 4784 produced (less than 150 with M20 4 speed)

ken



When I was a 16-17 year old kid pumping gas there was one in our small town. I had my 66 Grande Parisienne and he was running around with his 66 Custom Sport convert, 396, 4 speed, factory tach. That  car ended up in my brother's wrecking yard minus engine I think and eventually was crushed.  Not my most brilliant move letting that thing go......... sleepy.gif

 



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Hey Carl:  I have documentation showing "less than 13 67 2+2 converts with L36-M20 combo"  I can send it to you if you need. I did check with GM and confirmed this number is referencing the 76867 model Pontiacs only.
take care & thanks !

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I take it your GP is a 67? THanks for this post, I haven't seen much data on M40 L36 cars yet.



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Holy Moly! I don't know if anyone here has seen the online ad for this car, but it is a rare and oddball Canadian Pontiac for sale in Kansas. It is a 1967 Pontiac 2+2 coupe, 6 cylinder, 1 of 20! Here's the link: Posted until March 21/09

Now, rare does not mean desireable I know. The old sixes pull fairly well down low though but were almost always relegated to the base series sedans.

Check it out, factory Emerald Turquoise with RED interior. It doesn't look as bad as it really should. Personally I'd lose the BLING wheels (unless it had a Neilson Racing Engines 572 under the hood and some serious chassis upgrades).

I've been observing these cars since they were nearly new. I have seen 2 Parisienne 6's for '67 and no 2+2 with 6's.

If it were mine I would return it to stock (just changing the wheels would do it), but I can be a bit of a freak.  I did see a '67 Impala SS convertible on e-Bay back in 2006 that was stated as being 1 of 53 (in U.S.) My figures show 1 of 46.

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$17,900?
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Well I guess there is another B-J coming up in Florida soon, he can always try there.

You are right Cameron, rare does not necessarily equate to desireable.  Wonder if he has enough guts to put it on ebay and see what people are actually willing to bid on it?

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