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Firewall Markings


1965 Laurentian 2 door HT.

 From left;   illegible scribble     single straight line down firewall to the right of the heater box             667 -    75511      9 - 29

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That illegible scribble above somehow looks to be in the same style and position as below on a 67, Sometimes I swear I can see the same guy doing this through the 60's.

Post from 2qwik2c Jan 2010 ;

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65 Laurentian post, 67 Grande Parisienne 4 door HT. 
 


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Here are the two paint codes on my 69 2+2 firewall (the car is a two tone).

 

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C 2  on  my  Beaumont  wich  is gone  now  but it will be back  but  written  in my  garage  not  in Oshawa

 

notice my  plate  has the  same  primer  overspray  and  a blue  color under



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1967  BEAUMONT   2 DOOR  POST  ALL NEW  283

1965  CHEV  BEL AIR   230   3 SPEED

I LIKE THEM PLAIN , I LOVE BENCH SEATS , POVERTY CAPS,NO TRIM.

I HAVE  THIS THING  FOR  A 4 DOOR 65  BISCAYNE  6 CYL  STD  DONT KNOW  WHY ?

 

 



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64laurentian wrote:

'64 Laurentian 2 door sedan should be 7611



THAT WOULD BE CORRECT FOR A V8 CAR, A 6CYL. CAR WOULD BE 7511.

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'64 Laurentian 2 door sedan should be 7611



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For what it's worth, this was the firewall marking on my 56 Pathfinder when I started working on the engine compartment (sorry, will not be replicated, I am far from a purist - I am not about to scribble on my now-lovely semi-gloss black engine compartment)

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btw I have no idea what those marks (look like H-2 to me) mean.

Dave



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  1964 Acadian Beaumont SD convert, 283 - factory 195 hp, Powerglide, 3.08 10-bolt - Cruiser

  2012 US-built crew cab truck - Daily Driver and Boat Trailering



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Keep up the pictures of your restoration. I have a 67 Canadian built Nova Wagon. 1 of 2 shipped to the US. The other one is gone.

 

Jerry in KY



-- Edited by Jerhra on Saturday 11th of May 2013 12:26:29 PM

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I think we would all love to see a detailed build thread on this car.

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VERY COOL!!!   detail is what i love,  keep the pics and stories coming



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I thought I would post up here again regarding my right hand drive Oshawa 1964 Impala Wagon.  Yesterday I rubbed back the firewall with fine steelwool and thinners in preparation for paint.  All of the firewall markings started to show up clearly so I went back over them with a chinagraph pencil before putting on color and clear.  They have once again been camouflaged but are visible up close and at the right angle.

The "SP4813" is in fact the special order paint code - obviously a message to the painters from further up the line.

I am 3 months into a very detailed factory correct restoration and have been documenting everything in great detail - is there any interest here in a detailed build thread..?

 

 



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Pontiac or not,  as long as its canadian built,  we are always interested.   Very cool wagon.



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Carl Stevenson wrote:

Welcome here!

You will find us very hungry for any Right Hand Drive information around here!


 Thanks Carl.  I have 2 right hand drive Oshawa Impalas that I am doing factory original restorations on - wagon first then 4 door hardtop, starting September.  Look forward to contributing here (remembering that it's a poncho site!) and very happy to assist anybody with RHD information.



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Welcome here!

You will find us very hungry for any Right Hand Drive information around here!

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Pontiacanada wrote:
Although a guy from Australia says this confuse:

X09 - Speedo Adaptor - I'm assuming some sort of adaptor to account for right hand drive configuration as it's a MPH dash.


Ummm.....that guy from Australia would be me! 
My suspicion now is that it was to take into account the tyre size as mentioned.

While I'm at it, here's the firewall markings on my Oshawa Impala wagon - they are very faint just above the right side valve cover.  SP...RD with a yellow "O" over the earth strap???  An abbreviation of "Special Order" perhaps given that's what's on the build sheet under paint code.

Unfortunately I have obscured the rest of it through my careless use of duct tape over the 1 1/3 inch holes on the firewall.  To this day I still can find any plugs to fill them.

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X09,  speedo adapter,  seemed to be really common on 63/64 cars,  my 64 impala 283 auto has it,  also my 64 beaumont 283 auto does too.  both 3:08 non-posi.  It has nothing to do with metric or export sales,  could have been tire size/trans/rear combos,  could have been a flaw from the speedo manufaturer,  nobody knows.



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64 Hard Top wrote:


I've seen these markings on various cars. I was wondering what the actual "value" of these markings might be? (not a smart alec remark). 
I was told that they are of significance with "totally unrestored" vehicles..,,original paint,..  etc.  Do the numbers have any other significance or value? 

Why would someone hesitate to paint over them on a vehicle that is being restored.?


          I agree with the "markings" and "paint dabs" and date codes on parts, etc. on a "Historically significent car"  

          Anything else is a waste of time and money twocents.gif

 

         They didn't have the same guy on the assembly line 24/7 just doing markings...  sometimes there was 2 shifts  sometimes guys called in sick biggrin



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Thanks Darryl, The markings on the 78 Corvette are in white, some on the frame and gas tank area. My 64cs and Olds 442 are in yellow like your car. When I was probing the inner driver fender on the 67 Toronado years ago I found a old non-chrome and rusty 12pt, 1/2-9/16 wrench with GM stamped on it. Must have been left behind by a assembly line person and because I have owned the car from new not from me. This car has no china markings on it. Wish I could find it to post a picture.
Brian

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Magician40 wrote:

I have some on my other GM cars. Some on the frame and rear ends. What did they us as a applicator for these numbers?
Brian


 Wax marker or china marker Brian. You can buy them at a office supply store in various colours. All my markings happen to be in yellow.



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I have some on my other GM cars. Some on the frame and rear ends. What did they us as a applicator for these numbers?
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Darryl, what's the X09 speedo adapter?


Maybe it has something to do with the positraction?confuse Not a lot of info. out there!

It is a little plastic part (like a gear reducer) that screwed on between the speedo and the cable under the dash. 
As to why some cars had them and some didn't I don't know. Although a guy from Australia says this confuse:

 

I recently received the build sheet for my RHD Australian delivered 1964 Impala Wagon from George Zapora at GM Canada:

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It is interesting that they state that it's 1 of 3 RHD export models. Given that I've owned two 64 wagons over the years and seen another 30 or so I can only assume it's 3 in that particular paint/trim/engine combination. Anyone have thoughts on this?

I'm delighted that the engine number matches and the majority of the options are still intact. Bad news is that the paint code (SP4813) is listed as Special Order. Before it was stripped to bare metal I was convinced it was Saddle Tan/Ermine White Roof but I'm now none the wiser. Anyone have experience with these special order codes?

With respect to the options, I have some queries with:

B70: Cover I/P Upper Pad - When I bought the car it had vinyl stuck across the top of the dash which was cut in around the speaker grill - to me it didn't look factory. I'm therefore not sure if this refers to this vinyl on top or the large dash pad that is mounted around the front of the all RHD pontiac/chev dashboards.

V59 - Extra Tool Equipment (Export) - what tools did they put in the Australian delivered cars?

X09 - Speedo Adaptor - I'm assuming some sort of adaptor to account for right hand drive configuration as it's a MPH dash.



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i always take pictures and put them back on when i restore a car. its just part of going the extra mile.

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If nobody can find X09 I think I might have it in a parts book option code listing.

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Metric. PEI wasn't part of Canada in 1964, yuck, yuck....

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Darryl, what's the X09 speedo adapter?

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