Does my old 396SD look to be a real late production?  It was shipped in July...    wasn't the plant shut down most Augusts' for new vehicles?

Is he (GEORGE) the same guy? causing all the Acadian-Beaumont fellow the stress, by calling them Pontiacs??  Here is a copy "off the internet, that some poor fellow Modified to fix George's mistake  lol    Notice the different Font ,where the word Acadian has been typed in


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wow, that granada gold stripe car would be a nice one to have!

I'm thinking the 736 cars with A51 are not Sports Options, as the they also list the D55 console, which was not listed seperately on the Sports Options cars that i have documents for (only A51)...not a precise theory, but a theory nonetheless...

Carl1, did your 67SD convert have a posi? although not listed as an option i would have thought it was standard equipment? yet others list the option code...so i guess they came standard with an open rear??

BeaumontGuru can chime in on the other option codes for export, i asked him before but forgot what they were now...extra fluids or something? Dave W would know these also, but they are not listed on the canadian classics website...

Here are some other oddball codes: A75, A76, T72, X17, X24, W89, L92

andrew

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A75; HD front seat cushion and back spring A76; HD rear seat cushion and back spring

Does anyone have the Microphishe sheets for 67 beaumonts build around

March 9 1967
Oct 11, 1966
Nov 2, 1966

I own cars build on those dates, but never got GM docs.  Would be interesting to see if my car is on them.

I have just noticed this forum and find it interesting so far, but would like to voice a few concerns. I have a problem with someone using my name ( George Zapora ) or my co-worker ( Frank Agueci ) as a reference to obtain vehicle information from its members. While Vintage Vehicle Services is the sole authorized source for General Motors vehicle documentation, we do not believe in outside sources, especially private individuals, forming data bases of other people's car VIN numbers and 'storing' them. Before 1994 General Motors used to send out copies of the shipping microfilm, but realized that this included key code information, so this practice was stopped in 1994. We see no reason at all why someone would want to keep key code records of other peoples cars aside from the manufacturer of that vehicle, who can provide it through secure channels ( a GM dealer parts dept ) to the rightful owner if the keys are lost. As far as VIN number records and their build information, through the years that I have spent documenting cars here I have run in to a novel process called 'cloning'. A person takes a known good serial number of a rare vehicle and 'restores' another car to be identical to it, then re-vins that restored car to now be the rare one. There are cases of the same VIN being registered as far away as Dubai and Quebec, or Sweden and Hawaii. So I have no idea why anyone would want to give out their VIN number to someone on the internet so they can keep it on a data base. I strongly recommend that people cover their VIN numbers with a business card or so when at car shows, as anyone could take down that number, cut and paste it on a photo copy of a vehicle ownership/registration, and apply for your key codes to steal that vehicle. The only time I would give out a VIN number of my car was if I was selling it, as the prospective purchaser would have to do verifications at that point. This is just a heads up to your members. And just because we meet someone at a car show does not mean that we can vouch for that persons credibility, that usually only comes from long years of friendship. I have even told the person involved that I did not agree with what he was doing when he was in Oshawa at a car show. Sorry for venting, but did not appreciate our names being used by someone for their own gain. If you would like information on your car, we now have a website up a www.vintagevehicleservices.com. Thank you for allowing me on your forum. George Zapora

good c1 

And I should add I still believe that the more info the genuine car enthusiasts  have at their fingertips, the  less chance the cloners have.

A good example is the Supercar forum. You'd be hard pressed to get a cloned car past that group.

Carl S., sorry no offence to you or the website, I just did not appreciate our names being used by another person to gain credibility. I think for your own use you should store data by model rather than vin, it would be a lot safer for all members involved. A VIN is like your SIN number, why does anyone need to know it? Stolen SIN numbers are used for identity theft, stolen VIN numbers are used for...
As far as when in 1967 the A51 Sports Option became a separate model, we always must hold something back to be able to verify if a cloning question occurs.
Like you said it is good to have info out there for everyone, but find a safe way of doing it, by model, rather than by VIN, if it is a public site.
We will always help with your individual VIN searches, and look forward to helping you in the future.
Kindest regards, George

A key point concerning the 736 (& Chevelle 136) Sport Deluxe (& Malibu SS) vs. just a Custom (or Malibu) with buckets is the presence of D55 on the firewall trim tag. The console was part of the Sports Option and was included in all cars unless a 3-speed column shift was on the car. In other words up to that point there was no such thing as a D55 console option, since that item was grouped with the A51 Sports Option.
Once a documented 735 or 736 car shows up with D55 on the trim tag, that is a sure sign that the car is a Custom with buckets and console, and not a Sport Deluxe.

Once the 738-series Sport Deluxe made it to production, the A51 Sports Option was simultaneously dropped. At that time the 738 cars now had big-block hoods, had bench seats standard and could be optionally ordered with A51 buckets. D55 was now a separate option to order or leave off if you wished. Same goes for the 735/736 Custom series at that time in that you could now order A51 buckets and your car stayed with the Custom trim (no more Sport Deluxe trim). Consoles were now a separate option and would be coded as such on the trim tag (i.e. D55)

Earlier 736 Sport Deluxes did not use the big block hoods, even if a 396 was under the hood.

The Monthly Listing of Vehicles Shipped that is posted for the December 15th / 16th timeframe is quite interesting. I have one for Chevelles from the very same production window, Dec. 15th / 16th. My Chevelle was built & shipped on December 15th, 1966, using an engine from St. Catherines built December 12th. It appears that different engines and engine codes were built in batches. On the Beaumont list and on my Chevelle list, all the CQ engines were produced in the same batch, all the CC, DE, DB etc appear the same. The DE code was for the 283 Powerglide engine and was very popular. A less popular code was the DB code, which is for a 283 with a 10.4 clutch (4-speed only). On both the Beaumont & Chevelle lists, those engines were produced on 11-25-66.

I dont see the lack of 736-cars with L34s as indicating a late phase-in of that option, rather I see it as testimony to how rare they were. Bear in mind that on these older GM reports that we were only looking at a small sample of cars. Sometimes certain cars or option might have been built in batches or at least in a small window. Knowing how rare the Canadian L-79 Chevy IIs are, I have seen a list that showed 6 of them built within a 20 car spread.


My understanding is that The Sports Option wrapped up around mid to late November, but also could have run as late as early December.

I met a guy at the GM Autofest show back in 2001 that brought his 1967 Malibu SS with him. He is the original owner, and ordered it new (NICE!). His car was built mid-November. It was Madera Maroon with a black vinyl roof cover, black interior, an L30 327 and an M20 (Saginaw) 4-speed, a 3.07:1 12-bolt Positraction rear, power steering and power disk brakes. He ordered the car with 7.75-14 tires and as such it would have originally used the 14x5 Rally Wheels (he stored the 14x5 wheels and has 14x6 on it presently). One thing he said was that he and several friends ordered similar cars back then. Some were Malibu SS and some later ones were Malibu.

Great topic, but as was mentioned we should tread carefully!

P.S., I sent a copy of my listing to Dave Weir back in 1996. To my knowledge he has never actually posted it, merely he has noted production statistics and trends without specifically singling out any serial numbers (good work Dave!)

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Welcome to the site George. I think most of us agree that posting VIN's on here or storing them in any database is just asking for trouble. Most of us are primarily interesting in production numbers by model number which can be found in the threads sticky'd in the Beaumont and full size Pontiac forums.

Todd

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Exactly,  The cool stuff is in the production totals, option codes, color combos(canadian cars always had strange 2tones), the different decals on Cdn cars, etc, etc.  That is the REAL historical stuff.

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Once the 738-series Sport Deluxe made it to production, the A51 Sports Option was simultaneously dropped. At that time the 738 cars now had big-block hoods, had bench seats standard and could be optionally ordered with A51 buckets. D55 was now a separate option to order or leave off if you wished. Same goes for the 735/736 Custom series at that time in that you could now order A51 buckets and your car stayed with the Custom trim (no more Sport Deluxe trim). Consoles were now a separate option and would be coded as such on the trim tag (i.e. D55)

Are you saying that a 738 SD could be ordered with A51 buckets but no console? Would that mean you could own a 67 SD 396 4 speed bucket seat car with no console? I have never heard of such a thing but I have said many times, never say never!

Thank you very much for your input on these cars.

whats the last date of production for the 65 Beaumont? My red one shows a build date in mid July 65, the blue one is an early date