One copy is going to Carl 2 & the other to Astro Jet so in a few days they will be able to confirm the veracity of my findings. I would also be pleased to spend another 30 minutes at the photocopier and make you a copy Carl 1. I suppose I could take pictures and post as well but not sure if that will satisfy the burden of proof desired.
I should have elaborated. A picture of it posted on here is just fine. I am very curious. I don't doubt it at all, but I've never seen it.
I've seen those service manuals, but it could be argued that Pontiac Beaumont Acadian could mean Pontiac and Beaumont and Acadian.
My wife is shutting us down for Earth Hour have to watch hockey game by candle light! LOL. Your point on the manuals is well taken BUT it is not grouped as Chevelle / Beaumont and Nova /Acadian for example, the grouping includes Pontiac that's why I say GM Canada considered them in the same family. I will get photos of the 1970 publication I refer to post after I can use power again.
i mentioned it in another thread (just can't remember where) about a friend that used to work in the marketing section at GM, and she said acadians were lumped in with pontiac for all advertising. made no difference to her, kinda like george in the historical section.
I am not arguing the point one way or the other just showing evidence that in the Canadian vernacular it is very widespread and common place to see and hear the vehicles in question referred to as a Pontiac.
I should have elaborated. A picture of it posted on here is just fine. I am very curious. I don't doubt it at all, but I've never seen it.
Here are the photos of the brochure, its old but the information I refer to is there. Notice now that on the front Cover under the word PONTIAC 1970 there is a picture of the Acadian SS wheel among other nice features of other models. I also think it is fairly obvious that the Acadian appears mixed in with the other models which no one will dispute are Pontiacs. I did not photograph the 1st page - Grand Prix, the page after Parisienne - Bonneville followed by the Catalina, and Executive pages. Acadian follows the Tempest and precedes Safari as I have pictured it.
Here's an ad to add to the confusion: They list Beaumont, Acadian, and Firebird, Viva all separate from Pontiac! Does this mean Firebird wasn't a Pontiac? My theory is when the term "Pontiac" was used by GM, this refered to the full size models and not that others weren't Pontiacs...but then again..
I should have elaborated. A picture of it posted on here is just fine. I am very curious. I don't doubt it at all, but I've never seen it.
Here are the photos of the brochure, its old but the information I refer to is there. Notice now that on the front Cover under the word PONTIAC 1970 there is a picture of the Acadian SS wheel among other nice features of other models. I also think it is fairly obvious that the Acadian appears mixed in with the other models which no one will dispute are Pontiacs. I did not photograph the 1st page - Grand Prix, the page after Parisienne - Bonneville followed by the Catalina, and Executive pages. Acadian follows the Tempest and precedes Safari as I have pictured it.
-- Edited by 73SC at 21:47, 2008-03-29
Very cool indeed! Thanks for showing us that.
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
I am not sure that it settles anything one way or the other Carl but it does raise an ambiguity for 1970. I am sure that some members have had George Zappora at GM Canada document their car. Maybe someone can tell us what those letters say.
Here's some more confusing info on this subject. There is a car in victoria, personel licence plate reads "NONOVA". It is badged as an Acadian SS. I think its a 69 or 70 but on the GM doc displayed with the car it clearly states the car was built in Michigan! [saginaw or Lansing ?] Numbers Guy has seen this car and could maybe recall more info from doc sheet.Just another tidbit to add to the unique path that Canadian car builders took to deliver Canadian GM.models!
I have two build sheets for two 69 & 67 the 67 build sheet dated 1995 said its beaumont ,69 build sheet dated 1995 said it's a beaumont But the other 67 and 69 one dated 2001 &2005 said they pontiac beaumonts the person who documented the years 94 & 95 Frank Agueci and the 01 & 05 documented by George Zapora just saying that the older person new the different just my thought
Acadian BeaumontSD GM Canada letter for 1965 from his website
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Performance World Display
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66 Shop Manual
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68 Shop Manual
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1970 PONTIAC Brochure
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62 Parts Book
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62 Shop Manual
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6 For sale ads on web
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Slinky GM Canada letter for 1967
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Slinky GM Canada letter for 1969
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TOTALS
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So I think that the vehicle started life as a separate marque but over time the Canadian public embraced these disticntly Canadian vehicles as Pontiacs because that's where you bought them, at the Pontiac dealer, and it became common practice to include these as Pontiacs in the Canadian vernacular as well as official GM Canada documents and letters. I still love 'em no matter what they are called!
So I think that the vehicle started life as a separate marque but over time the Canadian public embraced these disticntly Canadian vehicles as Pontiacs because that's where you bought them, at the Pontiac dealer, and it became common practice to include these as Pontiacs in the Canadian vernacular as well as official GM Canada documents and letters.
That is correct, they did start out as a separate marque, but the public as it is evident on this Site started refering to them as Pontiacs. That has been my point all along.
Slinky wroteI have two build sheets for two 69 & 67 the 67 build sheet dated 1995 said its beaumont ,69 build sheet dated 1995 said it's a beaumont But the other 67 and 69 one dated 2001 &2005 said they pontiac beaumonts the person who documented the years 94 & 95 Frank Agueci and the 01 & 05 documented by George Zapora just saying that the older person new the different just my thought.
Slinky is correct, all the documention by George does list them as Pontiacs and there are a lot of unhappy because of it.
Acadian BeaumontSD GM Canada letter for 1965 from his website
X
Performance World Display
X
66 Shop Manual
X
68 Shop Manual
X
1970 PONTIAC Brochure
X
62 Parts Book
X
62 Shop Manual
X
6 For sale ads on web
6X
Slinky GM Canada letter for 1967
X
X
Slinky GM Canada letter for 1969
X
X
TOTALS
5
13
So I think that the vehicle started life as a separate marque but over time the Canadian public embraced these disticntly Canadian vehicles as Pontiacs because that's where you bought them, at the Pontiac dealer, and it became common practice to include these as Pontiacs in the Canadian vernacular as well as official GM Canada documents and letters. I still love 'em no matter what they are called!
-- Edited by 73SC at 11:49, 2008-03-30
-- Edited by 73SC at 12:32, 2008-03-30
Well put!
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1966 Strato Chief 2 door, 427 4 speed, 45,000 original miles
1966 Grande Parisienne, 396 1 of 23 factory air cars
Whew ! It only took 43 posts and 241 views to find out we agree !
Why did it take that long? I have repeatedly said that same thing starting was my first Post. Including on my website except for the information that Slinky mentioned. Frank Agueci had the correct information and George Zapora chose not to follow it.
I talked to George Zappora years ago and after 15 minutes he says, "Well,... officially they weren't Pontiacs but we all know they were!" WTF???
I highly recommend the book "Canadian Cars 1946-1984" by R. Perry Zavitz all owners of Pontiacs, Beaumonts and Acadians and other canadian models like Mercury, Frontinac, Studebaker, Canadian Plymouths (did you know Valiant was it's own marguee name in Canada so it could be sold at both Plymouth and Dodge dealers in Canada?). This book can be sourced at your local library, they will get it in for you if they don't have it. Perry Zavitz wries books for Petersons and I believe he wrote a column in the Toronto area news (anyone know this for sure?).
This book has tons of info on the canadian pontiacs, all the good stuff like differences from the USA cars, engine options, even how many were registered per year (most models). Here's some pics, I tried to get a decent pic of the intro to the Pontiac, Acadian and Beaumont pages for you guys. Dan
Another excellent book is Catalog of Canadian Car I.D numbers by Bill Watson. He lists Acadian and Beaumont separate from Pontiac. Another interesting note is he shows some Acadians built in the U.S starting in 1968 with model numbers 71300, 71327, 71369, 71400, 71427 and 71469 all being built at theWillow Run plant. Same for 1969. Can anyone confirm??
Whew ! It only took 43 posts and 241 views to find out we agree ! 
